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Jet Blue rejects takeoff at JFK due to runway incursion
JetBlue flight 1295 was forced to stop short on the runway Saturday night around 9 o'clock just before taking off. JetBlue says a Caribbean Airways flight crossed in front of the aircraft, forcing the plane's pilots to hit the brakes. The flight was able to take off about three hours later and landed in Texas. (7online.com) Ещё...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Regardless of who messed up, stuff happens. Most of us are on here because we have paid attention to what's going on around us over the years and have did the same thing or something similar that the JB crew did. It is just like defensive driving; you have to continually watch the other guy.
reading talk for more technology to prevent this... OK, well, lets not go so far down that road that we rely on technology. My reading tells me that pilots have become system managers and no longer remember how to fly the damn things.... just saying a caution, but what the hell do I know....
Back in the mid 1970s I was aboard a United 747 as it was on final approach to SFO. Back in those days you could listen on the in-flight entertainment system to whomever the cockpit was talking with on the radio. We were cleared to land on 28L and were making a nice smooth approach. At two miles out the following exchange happened (Flight numbers are made up. I can't remember them from that long ago, but I sure do remember what went on) :
TOWER: TWA 335 you're cleared to cross 28 L and proceed to 28R for takeoff.
TWA 335 (angrily): I'll be damned if Im going to cross 28L. UNITED182 Heavy's on final there.
TOWER (with urgency, his voice an octave higher): UNITED 182 Heavy, can you make 28R?
UNITED 182 Heavy: I'll try ...
At the same instant we did an abrupt right turn followed immediately by a sharp left and about ten seconds later we landed -- hard -- on 28R. It was amazing -- I didn't think a 747 could do that, but it did. Anyhow, after we'd finally stopped ...
UNITED 182 Heavy (furiously): Tower, you stay right where you are, mister. I'm comin' to see you!!!!!
I have no idea how that encounter may have gone down.
I suspect that the Captain did what he did to avoid a "go around" -- which at SFO is a long, long process. I'd experienced one of them on a previous flight so I can empathize with any Captain who doesn't want to do one if he can help it.
That said, the Captain did something very risky -- and IMO unnecessary. He (and we) got away with it, though.
TOWER: TWA 335 you're cleared to cross 28 L and proceed to 28R for takeoff.
TWA 335 (angrily): I'll be damned if Im going to cross 28L. UNITED182 Heavy's on final there.
TOWER (with urgency, his voice an octave higher): UNITED 182 Heavy, can you make 28R?
UNITED 182 Heavy: I'll try ...
At the same instant we did an abrupt right turn followed immediately by a sharp left and about ten seconds later we landed -- hard -- on 28R. It was amazing -- I didn't think a 747 could do that, but it did. Anyhow, after we'd finally stopped ...
UNITED 182 Heavy (furiously): Tower, you stay right where you are, mister. I'm comin' to see you!!!!!
I have no idea how that encounter may have gone down.
I suspect that the Captain did what he did to avoid a "go around" -- which at SFO is a long, long process. I'd experienced one of them on a previous flight so I can empathize with any Captain who doesn't want to do one if he can help it.
That said, the Captain did something very risky -- and IMO unnecessary. He (and we) got away with it, though.
2 miles is kinda close. If I'd have been the Captain, I'd have looked him up too.
It is impossible to tell when someone will pull out on the runway. I was about 1/4 mile from touchdown and a tween Beech was told to hold for landing traffic. The Beech continued on the runway and taxied down the runway. There was never any acknowledgement from the Beech. The tower began shouting on final go around, but I had already started the go around. Finally the Beech answered and blamed it on between frequencies on the radios. A complete PHUPA on the part of the BEECH but it really would not matter if I had landed anyway. There would have been no one left to ask what happened. You must always expect someone to pull on the runway. I have even had a tractor mowing grass do a 180 and just drive across the numbers causing another go around. It happens more that you think.
My dread was parallel runways with a lineup waiting to cross from the outboard. Whether landing or taking off, until I was clear, the dread of something happening was there. I'd rather have it happen on landing because as you did here, you had time for TOGA. You might not always be able to stop in time. That said, although options are more limited in the plane, it is not really any different than getting in your car and going home from the Airport, although Pilot's are generally a little more professional.
Heads should roll on this one. A few people should be getting "time one the beach"