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Southwest Fires Pilot Over LaGuardia Nose First Landing
Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV) said it fired the captain who was at the controls of a plane that landed nose first at New York’s LaGuardia Airport in July, injuring nine people and snarling air traffic for hours. The action came as Dallas-based Southwest completed its probe of the accident, Linda Rutherford, an airline spokeswoman, said today by e-mail, without giving details. Southwest ordered the first officer to undergo more training, Rutherford said. (www.bloomberg.com) Ещё...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
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Today, in India we are celebrating DIWALI, the festival of lights. A day to rejoice.
Primarily a Hindu festival but celebrated by all .
A day when we Hindus invoke the Goddess Laxmi to pray for all year round Wealth and Prosperity for self and all.
Like Christmas the houses are decorated with lights , inside as well as outside.
May be some of you get to see some of it in various parts of the world where ever persons of Indian/Hindu origin live.
So, HAPPY DIWALI to you and your family members.
Today, in India we are celebrating DIWALI, the festival of lights. A day to rejoice.
Primarily a Hindu festival but celebrated by all .
A day when we Hindus invoke the Goddess Laxmi to pray for all year round Wealth and Prosperity for self and all.
Like Christmas the houses are decorated with lights , inside as well as outside.
May be some of you get to see some of it in various parts of the world where ever persons of Indian/Hindu origin live.
So, HAPPY DIWALI to you and your family members.
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Southwest Pilot Fired for July Mishap In New York
Southwest Airlines fired the captain who was piloting a plane that landed nose first at New York’s LaGuardia Airport in July, injuring nine people and snarling air traffic for hours.
The captain, a Southwest pilot for 13 years, took control from the first officer just before the Boeing 737 hit the runway, U.S. investigators said in August.
Southwest acted after completing its investigation into the July 22 accident, while the National Transportation Safety Board, continues its own inquiry after finding no evidence of a mechanical failure.
With its nose pointed three degrees downward, the 737-700 struck the runway first with the landing gear at the front of the plane instead of settling onto the main wheels located beneath the wings, the NTSB said in a July 25 release.
The forward gear broke, snapping rearward and damaging an electronics bay. Flight 345 was arriving from Nashville and carried 150 people.
http://www.planecrashes.org/southwest-pilot-fired-for-july-mishap-in-new-york.html
Southwest Pilot Fired for July Mishap In New York
Southwest Airlines fired the captain who was piloting a plane that landed nose first at New York’s LaGuardia Airport in July, injuring nine people and snarling air traffic for hours.
The captain, a Southwest pilot for 13 years, took control from the first officer just before the Boeing 737 hit the runway, U.S. investigators said in August.
Southwest acted after completing its investigation into the July 22 accident, while the National Transportation Safety Board, continues its own inquiry after finding no evidence of a mechanical failure.
With its nose pointed three degrees downward, the 737-700 struck the runway first with the landing gear at the front of the plane instead of settling onto the main wheels located beneath the wings, the NTSB said in a July 25 release.
The forward gear broke, snapping rearward and damaging an electronics bay. Flight 345 was arriving from Nashville and carried 150 people.
http://www.planecrashes.org/southwest-pilot-fired-for-july-mishap-in-new-york.html
In my humble opinion...SouthWest Airlines are a bunch of "Cocky" characters...up front in the cockpit or box office...pending on gender....the cabin crew needs some serious training as the cockpit crew. CRM for all. The "nose dive" is a great example of lack of communication. Every Crew member has to be on the same page! I will not fly SWA. I don't feel the "female" Captain should have been fired. Something went on in the cockpit. The CVR will put the incident on the table. But guys...leave the sexism out of the the equation. There are some damn good female pilots out there!
Dear friend Dee Lowry, a highly belated response from me !
Correct me if wrong.
As of TODAY, the 2nd Nov., the pilot was only suspended, and not fired.
And 'perhaps' the NTSB report is not out as yet.
So NO FINAL action/s can't be taken either way !
Right ?
Correct me if wrong.
As of TODAY, the 2nd Nov., the pilot was only suspended, and not fired.
And 'perhaps' the NTSB report is not out as yet.
So NO FINAL action/s can't be taken either way !
Right ?
Actually it was reported that her continued employment with SW was terminated as part of a settlement with an $million+ payment, in exchange for no future claims against SW. This likely included any pending pension payment, as well as potential action due to employment issues such as bias or harassment, or even accident resulting from working under company pressure to stick to the schedule,etc.
Only in America!
The details of the settlement were not made public, but the title of this squawk starts with the title 'Southwest fires pilot...'
What more explanation do you need?
What more explanation do you need?
Without sounding to be critical dear friend PhotoFinish, by your own account there was a SETTLEMENT for severance from service. So can it still be called 'fired' or dismissal from job ?
Your expert views solicited !
Your expert views solicited !
She likely had a pension coming that she had earned from years of service. Had she just been fired without compensation in lieu of pension, she round fight the termination. I'm not privy yo her years of service, not what issues she dealt with over those years, that could bd brought up in a defense or a separate claim against SW.
But they can include any of the above mentioned claims. The intense pressure to stay on schedule may gave been a factor in the call to NOT go around, take control and land the plane rushedly. Also there could have been a history of harassment, bias or sexism, that could make for a litigious claim.
So SW pays her now, for her pension. She walks away, releases SW from any future claim, and promises to not sue. Everyone gets something and everyone gives something. It's called a settlement. Simple, really.
But they can include any of the above mentioned claims. The intense pressure to stay on schedule may gave been a factor in the call to NOT go around, take control and land the plane rushedly. Also there could have been a history of harassment, bias or sexism, that could make for a litigious claim.
So SW pays her now, for her pension. She walks away, releases SW from any future claim, and promises to not sue. Everyone gets something and everyone gives something. It's called a settlement. Simple, really.
Dear friend PhotoFinish, I must stop here for two reasons.
Firstly, I do not have sufficient details of the case.
Second and most important, many a time we use metaphors in speech as well in writing. Like, a person being 'compelled' to resign ! Which is same as facing the firing squad.
:-)
Firstly, I do not have sufficient details of the case.
Second and most important, many a time we use metaphors in speech as well in writing. Like, a person being 'compelled' to resign ! Which is same as facing the firing squad.
:-)
Fired is fired. If she hadn't crashed the plane she would still be working.
ThanX preacher1. In the present case, what are her future prospects, as pilot and otherwise? Both in terms of law as well as general practice ?
What happens to her pilot licence ?
What happens to her pilot licence ?
I would expect she would not be able to get another job but with that settlement, she might not want too.
ThanX preacher1.
What about legal position ?
Her pilot licence ?
What about legal position ?
Her pilot licence ?
I would doubt that any termination or settlement would affect that. That is a personal thing and is a requirement for employment, not provided by the employer and to my knowledge, no action was taken by the FAA, which is where anything toward her license would have to come from
ThanX preacher1.
That means technically she can fly as usual.
Legally !
That means technically she can fly as usual.
Legally !
10-4 but as I said, it is doubtful anyone would hire her, but that is another matter.
10-4 ? Meaning ?
Do you mean to say that if a pilot is involved in an aircraft accident s/he loses the right to fly ? Informally !
Do you mean to say that if a pilot is involved in an aircraft accident s/he loses the right to fly ? Informally !
pretty much, although no legal reason. Just human nature, I doubt she would be anybody's 1st choice and with any length of term with SWA or anybody else, she would have to show that time on an app or resume`and once circumstances were known or even if sealed, they would still be questionable. Have a nice Holiday. later
So what will she good for ? Crop dusting ? Or worse ?
Because in the process of getting a CPL she may not have acquired any other qualifications !
Because in the process of getting a CPL she may not have acquired any other qualifications !
They may not hire her because there are so many pilots to choose from in the US. But even with the accident she would be a better pilot than many pilots with little experience in many Asian countries with fast air travel growth and insufficient pilots. So, she may have some decent employment opportunities overseas.
I must add this too. In criminal justice system all over the world, every convict is given a second chance to lead a normal life in society.
So why not in Aviation ? As commensurate with the profession ?
For example, she can be demoted to a lower category of aircraft OR to a lower rank like an FO ! And so on. She can even be a good trainer ! Provided she did not have or does not have any mental blocks due to the accident .
Good luck to her. I must say.
So why not in Aviation ? As commensurate with the profession ?
For example, she can be demoted to a lower category of aircraft OR to a lower rank like an FO ! And so on. She can even be a good trainer ! Provided she did not have or does not have any mental blocks due to the accident .
Good luck to her. I must say.
That may be what the law says but human nature, in most cases, circumvents that law if there are other qualified applicants. You will note the high recidivism rate for convicts and this is part of the reason. While she is no a convict, she carries a hellacious black mark on her career and most prospective employers would not want a potential liability. Sad but true.
Dragging your logic a bit far and applying principles of management, she is gone for life. Because she has proved to be a BAD decision maker. Especially in crisis. An essential ability and prerequisite in the process of organisational decision making !
Dragging your logic a bit far and applying principles of management, she is gone for life. Because she has proved to be a BAD decision maker. Especially in crisis. An essential ability and prerequisite in the process of organisational decision making !
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