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Malaysia Airlines says flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing lost contact with air traffic control

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Malaysia Airlines says flight MH370 is carrying a total number of 227 passengers, including 2 infants, and 12 crew members. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370/history/20140307/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA (www.breakingnews.com) Ещё...

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nasdisco
Chris B 2
A sighting claim of a plane on fire....not reported until now. Questionable?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-british-sailor-saw-plane-on-fire-with-black-smoke-trailing-behind-over-indian-ocean-9479900.html
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
James Hausman seems to be on target. SOMALIA, one of the airports there. They are PIRATES! They now have over 200 passports at their disposal, a 777-200 that has been repainted already, and over 200 hostages for sale. The two iranians may just be part of the scheme to take the blame for the highjacking so that the pilots may be innocent and return to Malaysia to their families, with some reward. My first guess was also Somalia then Socotra. Without wreckage near Malaysia and 2 passangers with false passports, and the radar contact interrupted, and the signals from the motor continuing, the flight was headed to a far off place. The plane didn't have to fly low for the whole trip, only near India and the Maldives after which it could fly higher to gain distance. In the end, the satellites may reveal the route as the flight simulator is revealing the pilots' preparations for the landing. Iran has an airport also in the south near the coast,
williaminc000
William kyle 1
Air France Flight 447 on June 1st 2009 disappear from radar over 216 people missing with the the plane took two year to find the plane... / Now 2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappear from radar with over 239 people missing... watch the video every thing that is happening now happen in 2009 history is repeating itself again.

I want to know how the Malaysians can deny the fact that the engine monitoring system continued to put out data for four hours AFTER the transponder signal was shut off?

This is just another HOAX and you people are falling for it hook, line, and sinker!! What you should be looking at is what the Government is trying to steer you away from watching or paying attention too!!

I think some one wanted some one on the plane and thy took the whole plane for this person and taken the other people and the government is covering it up as the plane that went missing we will know soon thy maybe trying to find a way to crash the plane with out some one see it take off, watch three bodies will not be found if thy ever find the plane MAS 370 and the black box will be broken or some thing like that that how the government works.

China now says their find was nothing... Rolls Royce says it may have continued to receive engine maintenance data after the disappearance... photo-shopped mystery passengers and radar blips that may or may not have happened... I've quit guessing, can't wait to see how the movie ends!
williaminc000
William kyle 1
video of ( Air France Flight 447 ) on youtube
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
The bookies in the UK soon may post the airports with the latest odds.
mightytravels
Mighty Travels 1
How many (remote?) airports in the Maldives are good enough to land a 777? Seems like the perfect remote spot for landing a plane! Torsten @ http://www.mightytravels.com
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Does anyone know how Boeing sets up systems on board? I was thinking about the post below that says Boeing reports the plane to be in Pakistan and it made me wonder....
I know that Malaysia Airlines did not "subscribe" to their service but does that mean the plane wasn't equipped to tell Boeing where it is?? or maybe all the planes are equipped so they do have the info, but Malaysia Airlines just wasn't paying for the service.

Here is the link to the article- the only one I could find that says Boeing reported this:
http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Satellite telemetry feedback... Even though Malaysia Airlines did not have the subscription, I suppose to assist in finding the a/c that they could have turned it on. They could have downloaded current data, or just polled for the last know GPS or FMS Coordinates. FMS is more accurate than GPS, but not enough that it would make that much difference.
Protoavis
Protoavis 1
Does anyone see this just as a possible systems failure based on the "current" timeline which was finally returned to where it made sense? Call me crazy, but the chain of events still support this as probable, as a slight possibly of suicide... Amazing how the Press runs wild with all the misinformation and proves if you don't give them something, they make it up...
preacher1
preacher1 1
Until the plane is found, anything is possible. To boot, if it is found crashed, there is no telling what happened until it is recovered and the FDR/CVR analyzed. In the case of AF447, that took 2 years, even though it was located within a week.
williaminc000
William kyle 1
Air France Flight 447 on June 1st 2009 disappear from radar over 216 people missing with the plane took two years to find the plane… / Now 2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappear from radar with over 239 people missing.. every thing that is happening now happen in 2009 history is repeating itself again. look up Air France 447 video on youtube same story
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
the difference is they found pieces of wreckage in less than a week so they knew it crashed.
preacher1
preacher1 1
The main difference is that there was a pretty good idea of where it went down due to tracking and a debris field. It was nearly 2 years to recover.
seesha
jack shannon 1
Boeing is reporting the plane is down on the ground in Pakistan. This is not good news for anyone.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
is this a good source? I have no idea but it's the only thing I can find:
http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
If so, the squawk below has a theory on how it reached there:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/direct/linked/40873/

(it may not work for long)
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I have not see that in any of the news items... Where did it originate from?
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
where did you see this report?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, it is not picked up on National News yet.
yr2012
matt jensen 2
Beware of FB malware
http://www.ibtimes.com/new-facebook-malware-fake-video-claims-malaysia-airlines-missing-plane-mh370-has-been-spotted
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Another reason to kill your facebook account.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Thanks for the heads up... Even the Hackers are praying on this...
oldfolkie
Iain Girling 1
While we are still theorising: As I understand it, the transponder was deliberately turned off. That means one or more of the flight deck crew must have been complicit in the activity. The aircraft does not then become "invisible" to radar, but "unidentified". An unidentified aircraft can expect to be intercepted and if no response is had ..................
I am not a pilot, but what happened here ?
charas
charas 1
Would this scenario be possible? http://www.flight-mh370.us/2014/03/the-location-of-mh370.html

Also, there are reports of another 777-200 pilot contacting MH370 over emergency frequency (is that VHF?). If this is confirmed, this is the last known contact, even after the last contact with Subang ATC. Why does that pilot not want to be identified? (My guess is that it was MH 88 except that the timelines don't matchup, unless it left really late). Isn't there anyone who also heard it? Perhaps, they could have heard more details?
honda705hp
Richard Rael 1
honda705hp
Richard Rael 0
This has been a question going around the social media site and non main stream media. About Malysian Flight MH370.
That the real intention of that aircraft is to deliver or using that Boeing 777 for a low or High altitude detonation of a dirty bomb, EMP or nuke, by a terrorist organization. To be detonated somewhere over the Continental US.

Here is the theory. Please I invite you to comment.

1. I would suspect that since the aircraft went up to its service ceiling of 45000-47000 feet then dived to 15000 feet very rapidly, passengers would have been strewn all over the cabin and rendered unconscious, killed or injured.

2. At least two of the Malaysian passengers or crew were affiliated to AL-Qaeda or extremist group.

3. I would not place it beyond belieability where the surviving pilot (or both) could very well have landed the aircraft after disabling the transponders on a remote airfield on an island in the Indian ocean or flown to Yemen.

4. The theory: A terrorist group could have plans to load a nuclear/bomb weapon made in Iran onto the aircraft. The 777 has a max range of about 7700 nautical miles. That would bring the aircraft into Yemen diverted quite easily from its original flight path after leaving Malaysia. I don't believe the Malaysian government has a handle on the actual events or the course of the flight.

4a. In Yemen, the aircraft could be refueled and a nuclear weapon, dirty bomb, or emp loaded into the cargo area quite easily. The plane would then have a 6992 mileage distance to New York or Washington DC. This is well within the range of the 777 without refueling. It would easily leave the Middle East flying over Africa and then head North West over the Atlantic without transponders.
However, I don't discount the fact the plane could target the west coast where maximum devastation could occur.

5. It's entirely possible ( and likely) the aircraft could be fitted with Russian ECM Jamming equipment to avoid detection. Once entering the North American CADIZ zone 200 miles East of New York it could start jamming US radar, satellite tracking and interceptors.

6 The 777 would become a suicide mission/ bomber to provide devastating destruction. Similar to world trade center.

7. If the plane was hijacked, it may have been part of a larger plot choreographed by an al Qaeda affiliate in Malaysia. The Telegraph reported Saturday that a British al Qaeda informant claimed to have been complicit in an alleged terrorist plot planned by "four to five" Malaysian jihadists. The informant made the comments while testifying in New York last week during the trial of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Osama bin Laden's son-in-law. He said that one of the Malaysian men was a pilot and that the group planned to hijack a plane in Kuala Lumpur and use it in a terrorist act. Badat's testimony came before the disappearance of MH370.

8. If the pilot was not involved. A passenger would have gained access to the cockpit by 3d printed gun. Reminder they were some members of a Hi-Tech company on board.

9. the probable date of this occuring would be around may 2, 2014. The anniversary of osama bin laden.

Another thought added 10:02 pm. The terrorist's chose the Malaysian airline for this strategy since they could be certain no Air Marshall's would be on board.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 2
Interestingly Israel has announced they are requiring inbound flights to report in earlier than normal. US has no plans to step up scrutiny of inbound flights per Drudge. I would expect a lot of no shows for work at the World Trade Center NYC this next week.

As a precaution the FAA should not allow any Boeing 777 in US airspace unless they have Boeing's maintenance service activated which reports GPS. Reports are MH370 was not contracted to recieve this Boeing Service.
honda705hp
Richard Rael 1
I agree. Like I stated before I would discount a west coast attack though. And it was announced just a little earlier, that both pilots were behind sabotaging the avionics.
sflso
David Kay 1
Qty of fuel loaded should have recorded prior to takeoff, either with the airline or the refueling company.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
It is.. They know to the Lb, Gallon, or Liter on board. What they do not know is what the fuel burn, so there will be some range of flight time.
icywings
Icy Wings 1
How much fuel was loaded? Now, it could have been altered as well though. If the fueler on the ground was in on it then he/she may have loaded more fuel than normally required for the route at the pilots request. However, if the crew were not involved, the hijackers would have needed to plan to fly within the fuel range og the fuel on board for Beijing. I'm very interested in the theory that the plane could have gone to Socotra Island SCT off of Yemen to refuel. Socotra is only around 300 miles further then Beijing would've been miles. Looking at Google Earth the approach looks like it would be over the water so no one would hear it for the most part. Plus the runway looks pretty far from any residence. I don't know the timeline though. Is it possible for them to have made it SCT, refueled, took off and made it to that ring where the Satellite pinged it at 8:11am?
honda705hp
Richard Rael 1
I wan to note here that socotra island is the most logical place. but with the preference of the us carriers in the are it got me to think. where are the carriers and there TASK FORCE support groups. turn out that all but 2 are in there home ports. and no carrier is near socotra island. i BUT PERHAPS OUR ALLIES MIGHT HAVE A TASK FORCE NEAR THAT ISLAND. BUT THAT I DO NOT KNOW/
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That is one thing we do not know
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Is it possible to breach a cockpit door today after the post 9-11 redesign? Thought it wasn't possible.
KevinBrown
Kevin Brown 2
Yes it is possible by pulling the breakers for the flight deck door locking system. This can be accomplished by accessing the E/E compartment via the unsecured hatch inside the passenger cabin. An engineer with knowledge of 777 systems would know how. BTW one of the missing passengers was an aircraft engineer travelling to Beijing to "fix a plane". It would be interesting to know his background. Did he have expertise with the 777?

Here a video showing access to the E/E compartment. Sorry if this has been posted already on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLmzvF2qkDY
giger2
HERMAN GIGER 1
he was a mechanic ordered online his seat ,an exit seat. exit seats also have access to portable oxygen.Aircraft went to 45000 cabin easy about 17000 if all valves and checkvalve held up to this . Pilots either unconscious or lost control to BUAP
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Great. Security by obscurity- a noble tradition.
Quackers
Quackers 1
Some thoughts

DISCLAIMER: I'm just an aviation enthusiast. I'm not claiming to know everything. This is just all speculation.

Assuming the information we know up to now is accurate, somebody on the plane(with aviation knowledge), turned off two separate systems that allowed the plane to be tracked easier / communicate, at two different times.
The plane then turns away from its planned path, flies OVER Malaysia/Thailand etc, is tracked to the Malacca straits and then "disappears" about an hour after the course change.
Now, assuming it still flew on, it flew for several more hours before crashing. (Hard to land a 777 anywhere without being noticed- I am not going to get into conspiracy theories that it landed on some island etc).
Big search area now comes about. If it crashed on land, we would have some radar contacts/ a big amount of fire, smoke and wreckage that somebody would[b] probably [/b]have noticed. Ocean crash, well stuff won't wash up on shore if its in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Might see some wreckage if it was in the Bay of Bengal. (Its possible things may have washed up on some remote beach). Radar coverage in that area is spotty, and unless the Indian Air Force or somebody out at Diego Garcia caught a glimpse of the plane on radar, the planes likely sitting out on the middle of the ocean floor.
Assuming this is correct, the CVR wouldn't capture the whole incident, just the last few hours. FDR would tell us what the plane was doing the entire time but both of these assume we actually are able to retrieve them. This situation with the flight recorders reminds me of that South African 747 (flight 295).

On to the possibilities of what happened, in order of likelihood in my mind:
1- Pilot/ co pilot action. (Egypt Air 990, Silk Air 185)
2- Hijack/ Terrorism or Hijack/ ransom attempt gone wrong (but no claim of responsibility or demands?)

Anyway, thats what I think of the situation so far. Feel free to reply
Quackers
Quackers 1
(all of this assumes we ever find wreckage; Different situation but this also reminds me of PP-VLU)
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
You mean allegedly, don't you?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Who are you replying to??? Click the reply under the message, and reply... Keep the threads together.
Duoneb
Duoneb 1
Has anyone checked the news lately? Like I've said all along they and the plane have crashed into the ocean.
yr2012
matt jensen 0
I've been saying this for almost a week - has anyone checked No Korea?

[This poster has been suspended.]

joelwiley
joel wiley 1
"We can reveal...." Are you the official mouthpiece of the Malaysian government, or are you plagiarizing sources without attribution?

Why does each of your posts include a link to Roomeetimes dot com?
blademan007
blademan007 2
Uncertain of source reliability. "But evidence of the way the plane’s transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
usmanrockys
USMAN RASHEED 1
Anyone could explain the requirements of ILS CAT-3C
usmanrockys
USMAN RASHEED 1
Anyone can explain the requirements of ILS CAT-3C
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 1
They said that there was enough fuel to reach Kazakhstan, well Pakistan is much closer and they did hide Bin Laden for so many year. Don't trust them at all. Just a thought.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Love to read all the different scenerios, none of which are that far fetched. Interested in seeing what the actual outcome will be. Again, it would be a miracle if everyone was alive.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I believe in miracles... A lot here do... If everyone survives, I would be satisfied to call it a modern day miracle.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Aaah, the human mind... Isn't it a great thing?
mlstove
Michael Stover 2
Thanks to all for the responses from earlier questions, very informative!
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
ACARS ping being used as a crude radar pulse and response transit time being used to determine range ? That would generate coridors when crossed with fuel.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Icy Wings....unfortunately, this is one of many different scenerios that could be used to accomplish a destructive suicide mission.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I doubt that would be the case, as if that was the case parts would be spread over and floating on the ocean...
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
Can cabin pressure be controlled from the flight deck on B777 ??
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
yes, and the captain can dump all the pressurization as well. The O2 masks will drop, but they will only be good for 15 to 20 minutes max.
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
We'll that would take care of pax but why wouldn't that bring on cell phone use / ping when turned on ? Somehow collected / disabled prior to climb. Out of cell tower sight / range ?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That High up and far from the coast.. No way. A Cell phone only has about a 2 mile range.. One they were over 2 miles high, and 2 they were more than 2 miles off the coast...
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Cells don't work well above FL12 and/or 150nm from land. My Iridium works just about anywhere.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
Still don't understand why the pilots houses weren't searched much sooner than 7 days into the mystery. I'm darn sure the CIA and Chinese have intelligence agents in that area of the world. Not saying they should disturb a potential crime scene, but they're trained to look around without leave a trace. They could have been "unnamed" sources to point the investigation in a different direction if they found something. Of course, they might have already had a look around and found nothing. If the Malaysian police do find information 7 days after the mystery, then that shows our own weakness in intelligence gathering.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
OR....they're very skilled at carrying out investigations without letting any leaks to the press. Bear in mind this is HUGE. The whole world is talking about it. If they know more about us than we do, which I am assuming they do, they could jeapordise the entire operation by telling us what they know. My guess is this is an intensely complicated situation. We only know the tip of the iceberg.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
This is sad, but I hope this is some pilot goes nuts situation and not a Chinese vs Muslim issue. That is a truly scarry scenario. Does anyone know if this was the pilots regular route, or had they requested it? Given the geography of Malaysia, anyone flying a 777 is going to travel over water. If the pilots switched from say, Malaysia to Sydney to Malaysia to Beijing, that could provide some insight into the situation.
mlstove
Michael Stover 1
Just a technical question this morning that maybe some of the pilots on this site could answer?

Why have a switch in the cockpit that turns off the transponder? Maybe the switch has other settings but could "off" be removed from the equation?

Much like September 11th,the bottom line while impossible to think of everything I still to this day can't believe what happened that day anymore than someone just borrowed (maybe) a 777. It's also unfortunate that when you fly internationally for your job although without knowing what happened it makes you contemplate whether to go to certain locations. It almost makes one angry to think that here we are in 2014 this type of thing happens with 240 souls and the families impacted.

And unfortunately this type of issue has long branches because the first thing I wanted to find out is which Alliance this airline was a member of and thought to myself this very easily could be me or a colleague. Seriously two people used stolen passports and if true the airline didn't pay extra money to have the additional tracking capability?

If you want to protect your own citizens and abroad you best have the ability to thoroughly review passport origin and validity. If you want to purchase Plane X and be a part of Alliance B then you must have the ability to operate and track the aircraft.

Ivan wrote, "there must be overtime at the CIA". My hope is every government agency in this country and every airline in the sky is sitting in the boardroom reviewing protocol and procedure to ensure this becomes truly impossible.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
There are 2 transponders onboard the a/c. You cannot have both on at the same time because they will interfere, also, the frequency that these things operate makes them harmful to people working in close proximity (IE Ground Personel) and therefore needs to be turned off. Also, if there is a fail putting out false information, they need to be disabled.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
From what other have said everything has a circuit breaker in case of a fire/malfuction. They want to be able to cut power to it. I've heard other reasons like the Transponder can sometimes give out bad/conflicting information and confuse ATC.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Keep in mind not all CB's are in the cockpit... A lot are, many are not.. On the 777 I do not know how many are or are not.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
I hear a lot of people saying the transponder can be turned off for a lot of reasons. I get that. Shouldn't we have a backup Transponder that is totally separate from everything that can be turned on from the ground?

I'm not saying they should turn it on as soon as they lose the primary transponder, but as a last resort.

I would love to know from Pilots, Engineers is there anything currently that can be controlled from the ground? Or is simply communications and monitoring.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
No... If you have failures, they need to be shut down... There is a backup transponder, but you cannot run 2 at the same time, so you have to turn off the bad one and turn on the good one... Also, they both need to be off at the gate due to ground personnel, and erroneous readings to ATC at the gate.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
As all the news media says..."Breaking News"...still looking for plane!
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Another interesting detail is that the flight was a red-eye. Most, if not all of the pax were asleep when the possible overtaking and flight deviation occurred. Opportunists could use this to their advantage in overtaking the plane...less pax interference. I don't know, but I think it's an interesting scenerio.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
Yup, most people would be asleep. But I never sleep on a plane. I look out the window. Much of this trip was over land. I know I'd be real curious if I wasn't seeing lots of light from cities below. See:

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+lights+from+space&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kqskU77dGIH6oASt8ILwAw&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=893

to get an idea of what this area looks like from space. It would be a lot brighter from 30000 feet. The moon was in 1/4 phase, so people should have been able to see they were over the ocean too.
stackorama
James Stack 1
Hey lets update this news story people!1
Iewiew
Ivan Warrington 2
Latest update is that plane was in air for 7 hours. Could be anywhere in Middle East, Africa,Russia. It looks like the increased altitude was to put the passengers to "sleep". Most likely it is now gutted and hidden, turned into a Cruise Missile. Be some overtime at CIA this weekend.
risgoh
Ris Goh 2
The plane could have landed earlier... But was shut down at 8:11am. These people know what they are doing!
Investigators now need to triangulate these last bit of info to narrow down where they landed.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 2
I think the authorities know a lot more than they are prepared to tell us yet. How come this is all only starting to filter out now? They are doing a lot behind the scene I think
yr2012
matt jensen 1
they give out lil tidbits of info - then sit back and watch everyone scurry around.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 2
dirceuhernandes
Dirceu Hernandes 2
yr2012
matt jensen 1
A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane until 08:11 local time - more than seven hours after it lost radar contact
preacher1
preacher1 5
After 8 days, the banana republic is finally saying there was human intervention, aka pilot suicide or outright hijacking. To me, basically a week wasted; if it did crash in water to the West, debris is probably gone by now. Personally, I think it has been hijacked by that militant Muslim group that wants a breakaway and is in Western China, and this whole search is just a smokescreen for either negotiations on pax release or a raid in planning to get them. I might as well throw my 2cts in. Everybody else has. LOL
nipponoze
David Okeefe 1
Interesting Theory ! The Chinese are ultra secretive and the Malay government is so corrupt complacent and prejudice towards any of their non indigenous Malay citizens they treat Chinese Malaysian with contempt.
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Found something on google map here: 25.437680,60.379290 Konarak Iran.
Runway length look like close to 4km. Does this look like a B777-200?
systemf
Kos Pol 1
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
First of all, it's around 3200 miles from the point where the ship apparently turned NW. Second, AFAIK, these Google maps are not updated very often.

That said, it does look like a wide body (767, 777, 330). My guess, no.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
With a 4400nm range it's inside the parameters. For this whole week I was thinking NK
brucegeorge0706
Bruce George 0
Wow, who got suspended? And for what, speaking truth?
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
That's a pretty strong statement against pilots, or any work group. There's a bad apple in every basket, but lets not condemn everyone for the issues of a slight few. Flight crews commandeering their plane for personal vendetta's is minute. Lets pray for the pax and crew.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 0
History is repeating itself it seems to me. the Bahamas Bermuda triangle another part of the planet military, civilian plane gone without a trace. Radar would have picked up on the plane breaking into smaller pieces, this has been proven and helped solve aircraft investigation crashes. Just a thought.
evbutler
Ev Butler 0
It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up in a chop shop with parts for sale. The passengers? Hostages maybe when the announcement is made. My theory is that it landed somewhere and it will be the next international crisis to get the passengers freed, Just guessing, like everyone else. I hope it turns out OK but chances are slim.
ualiah
Peter Crew -2
If anyone out there has been watching CNN, tonight, 3/14/2014……clearly,,pilots are to blamed!!! I will never fly commercially again,,,,,,and gee,,,,,how many of us really believe this!!!!!!!!!
Pilots are evil!!!
fireftr
Dale Ballok 2
Is it still possible to breach the cockpit door? I thought they were inpenetrable after the post 9-11 redesign. Anybody know if the captain was single or married? I'm sure the Feds are checking into the crews' background. If the plane put down somewhere for a hostage situation, it would have had to have a complex plan including many other people on the ground, trying to keep 235 or so people alive. Demands would have been made public by now.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 2
Well not if the pilots allow beautiful girls into the cockpit as the co pilot has done in the past. Bang there is the security breach facing the crew in the face. All is needed the wrong organisation to be on board wait for the correct time and calculate the correct moment when one of these ladies need the toilet, the rest is history.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Somebody would have to fly the plane. I don't think you advertize for a 777 qualified hijacker on craigslist. If the plan was to keep the plane somewhere, do you think the planners would bet the rent on the air crew cooperating? Unless it was an inside job.

On the other hand, the plane may be in small pieces somewhere in a big ocean.

Theorizing in the absence of data is unproductive.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
They fly drones without pilots
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
And simulators have pilots without planes. . .
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Gosh... I have a very complete flight simulator... Never knew that would create suspicion. LOL...

There is nothing wrong with that... Now if they could find proof in the simulator that he was practicing water or very short field landings, then that may go somewhere.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Or, airports, waypoints, flight plans, or other smoking guns.
Scan the hard drives for erased data too.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Triple 7 isn't a drone though.
Donnytoots
Don Levine 9
Correction of previous comment:
Socotra Island (SCT) international airport (Yemen) has a 3,300 meter asphalt landing field which is over 10,00 feet. 8,100 feet is the required distance to land for the B777-200. Flight MH 730 would have been able to land there. Most of the flight across the Indian Ocean could have been at a higher altitudes to gain distance and go undetected while the world's attention was focused on (or distracted to) the area where the plane went off the radar. There existed the risk that the info from the motor blips would be relayed to the searching parties but such coordination didn't exists so the gamble by the hijackers was successful. My guess is that there were others on the flight to assist the hijackers get the cell phones or even fly the plane! After landing, the empty plane either was hidden or was refueled and flown to a nearby airstrip to be hidden. My guess/wish is that the passengers may be alive on the beautiful island. The plane may be repainted similar to another airline and used as a long ranged bomber. I hope the first part is correct and the passengers are OK. The second part is the scary part. So get satellite pictures of Socotra.
giger2
HERMAN GIGER 1
Socrata is overflown many times by OMAN coast guard ,they would have photographed it .
tf51d
Thomas Cain 1
I think this site ranks high on the likely destinations this plane may have went. It fits right in the 7 hour window they said the plane was flying, and in range with the amount of fuel that would have been on board for it's flight. As you state, it's pretty remote, has a runway large enough to support it and is near a country with known terrorist ties. Everything fits with the current known parameters. I would hope though the US and other countries would come to the same conclusion and are fully investigating the site. Excellent analysis!!
jrhausman
James Hausman 3
There is also an abandonded airfield in the far south west corner of somalia that could work and no town anywhere close.
tf51d
Thomas Cain 1
Also a possibility, but may be just out of range (Judging by the 7 hour window. Yemen would be about 3300 miles. Somalia would be closer to 4000 miles.
Duoneb
Duoneb 1
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 2
https://maps.google.com/ Is that large hangar at midfield?
honda705hp
Richard Rael 2
What about some of the old WWII abandoned airfields in East India and Pakistan? There remote and very isolated.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Whatever it is, it does not cast a shadow. Note the tower to the right.
It could also be a Google redaction where they hide what is there.
Could also be a big concrete pad.
JMHO
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I would venture to say that is probably just the concrete ramp.. Right in front of it is the airport terminal.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Need Lat and Long to see it. That link only loads google maps.
adoke
Adoke Ekoda 1
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2rcxvzt.jpg
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 3
Socotra Island Airport, Hadramaut, Yemen try this, sorry
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
Works great... Here is the direct link.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Socotra+Airport/@12.6321477,53.9063797,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x3db6a15786b89f71:0xff61b8921c6aa3d7
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
Also look at Veer savarkaar airport on the south andaman islands. Also very probable landing location.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
Thanks for the link. This looks totally possible.
icywings
Icy Wings 2
This is something I thought of many years ago. I'm a writer and thought of this idea for a film. My idea had them taking the now MH370 aircraft and completely gut it by taking out the galley, seat, etc. Then they would load the aircraft with the absolute minimum fuel required leaving the available empty weight to be used for explosives. The entire aircraft could fly right into the heart of any city and basically level it. They just need to file a fake flight plan, match the livery on the airplane to match what they file. They can join up and flying right into JFK until you report a missed approach and fly into downtown Manhattan. I sure hope that doesn't happen anywhere but it is possible.
Lonewolf24
Lonewolf24 1
That's what I'm thinking - hell, they may even just load up on avgas and turn the plane into one massive missile - the jet fuel will burn for a long period of time afterwards, destroying the structural integrity of any building they hit. Basically it's 9/11 all over again.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
If this is possibility I would like to know wind conditions for that day compared to other days, if wind was favoriting this route for that day more than any previous day your theory might be partially true.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 1
I think that you may have a very logical question, theory does not sound crazy, only I would think that someone would have seen something and reported it to the authorities yet who knows.
brucegeorge0706
Bruce George -2
NSA can determine when I have s***e***x with myself?? WHY CANT IT FIND THIS FREAKING P.L.A.N.E??? Lord OBAMA can't stop global warming either???
microsatellites
kenneth rodrigues 1
Could the aircraft headed towards Diego Garcia. Has a large airfield.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Also a huge us military presence; it's the US navy center of operations in the Indian ocean. I would assume there is a lot of long range radar & airborne pickets there.
brucegeorge0706
Bruce George -1
Amen to that my brother. However, we will see this plane again, MARK MY WIRDS!
brucegeorge0706
Bruce George -3
Yup I agree! MOTHER FUCKERS got another one. Hostages not victims, you heard it here first. Now, what to do? Hello American 001 arriving at the Sears Tower... can the US Presidente get his head out of his
ass in time to stop 9/11 - 2 ????
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Language please.. Sometimes younger eyes watch these threads, and others do not want to see the language either... If HiJackers, then I hope the hostages are ok. and to the answer of our president.. Answer, Probably not... They might be his kin folks doing the HiJacking.
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
Socolta Island (SCT) international airport (Yeman) has a 3,300 meter asphalt landing field which is over 10,00 feet. 8,100 feet is the required distance to land for the B777-200. Most of the flight could have been at a higher altitudes to gain distance while the world's attention was focused on or distracted to where the plane seemed to go off the radar. The risk was that the info from the motor bips would be relayed to the searching parties but such coordination didn't exists so the gamble by the hijackers was a good one. There must have been others on the flight to assist the hijackers get the cell phones or even fly the plane. After landing, the empty plane either was hidden or flew off empty to a nearby place to be hidden. The passengers are probably well secured on the beautiful island. My guess the plane will be repainted similar to a US airline and used as a long ranged bomber. I hope the first part of the theory is correct so the passengers are safe. The second part is the scary part.
RayKlotkowski
Ray Klotkowski 1
I'm in agreement with the rapid decompression and the resulting hypoxia. I also think that one has to continue pondering what could hace gone wrong at the cockpit level. What types of scenarios could have gotten us this far? Is it possible, under the initial stages of hypoxia for a pilot or 1st officcer to reach for a switch only to turn another by mistake. To disable an ACARS, aren't two seperate busses required to turn it off completely?
yr2012
matt jensen 1
sblank
sg blank 2
Given the sparse pings of the ACARS system but no data, - a hypothesis to explore is: could this be this is another SwissAir Flight 11 – a fire in the Main Equipment Center (MEC) underneath the cockpit? If there’s a fire a smoke detector illuminates the ‘EQUIP COOLING OVRD’ message on the cockpit EICAS.

see diagram here: http://www.skybrary.aero/images/B772_MEC_FIRE.jpg

It’s possible after seeing a message the crew began a turnback to Malaysia. But if the fire continued it could knock out communications equipment, which would explain the loss of comms, and blow out the crew oxygen bottle which could cause rapid decompression and crew hypoxia if it went off through the fuselage and/or the fire could have damaged the fly-by-wire flight controls which could explain the continued flight.

While just a hypothesis, unfortunately a 777 had a fire in this exact location – luckily for them on the ground in London Heathrow in Feb 2007. See the UK AAIB report:
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/S2-2007%20N786UA.pdf

The report said, “…Prior to this accident the aircraft manufacturer was involved in investigating 11 in-service reports of power panel overheat events, three of which involved major damage to the panels. The affected panels were the P200 and P300, and the affected contactors were the RBTB, Auxiliary Power Breaker (APB)and the Primary External Power Contactor (PEPC).

Now imagine if the fire occurred in the air at 35,000 feet.
tregter2
tregter2 1
must correct some things, cb's for ATC and TCAS are on the P11 overhead panels. acces by cocpit crew. the P110 and P210 have airground relays..
fire to the P panels or melt down, have been in both these panels. in ELMS block 2 planes. mostly current mode couplers and 1 incident the APU feeder cable was burned away. this without warnings during flight.
ifo based on 15yr avionics experience and findings with B777.
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 3
Here is another scenario regarding where the airplane may have stopped flying - After the airplane is commandeered at 35,000 feet and the transponders are disabled, it turns westward and is flown to an altitude of 3,000 feet to avoid radar. Now, instead of having a range of 5 to 6 hours at 35,000 feet, the range is cut to 4 hours because of the fuel efficiency at the lower altitude. Boeing says, according to the news reports, that the engine data signals continued after the turn for an additional 4 hours. What would the range be at the end of 4 hours at 3,000 feet? Look there?
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 1
lbhorton
Larry Horton 1
Can someone explain to me why the transponder in a commercial aircraft has an on off button. Why would you want to turn it off during the normal operation? Just wondering. And, if Rolls can track it engines performance why can't every commercial aircraft do real time uploads of "black box" information? Just pondering...
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Because you don't need it operating on the ground. Tower controllers can see you.
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
to reset 'em, I hear ATC requesting a reset when one is suspect.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Because you have 2 transponders, you either switch to one or the other.. If you have a failure, you need to be able to turn it off.
lbhorton
Larry Horton 1
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
This whole story sounds like a James Bond plot. I'm wondering IF there was foul play (hijackers/rogue pilot(s), how it was kept from the passengers/flight attendants? I would think this operation would LIGHT up everyone's cell phones in the cabin a la the 9/11 flights. From the map, it looks like there would have been a lot of time within cell phone range of towers to let the ground know what was going on.

Very strange situation. With all the media screening the detail about turning off the transponders, we will be hearing about that in future hijackings.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
I assume the reason the AWACS are on station btwn Diego Garcia and Thailand are to find the HF squawk from the boxes. So far nothing - which to me indicates the jet is NOT in the water.
AlbertoTimpauer
Alberto Timpauer 1
Does anyone thinks of a UFO extract ???
sparkie624
sparkie624 0
No... Give me a break.. Any serious ideas would be appreciated in the future.
Scabbard
Mike Yorke 1
Good new graphics here -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/14/an-introduction-to-the-andaman-and-nicobar-islands-a-remote-indian-archipelago-now-part-of-the-hunt-for-mh370/?wpisrc=nl_wv
pany
Sabino Escobedo 1
It's a misfortune that the plane involved in this incident is a Malaysia Airlines aircraft. MH is a good and serious airline. Please don't blame them for not getting appropriate information from the government to give to the families of those onboard MH370. It happens everywhere, government officials are just inefficient and as they do not know what they are doing at their jobs, they just interfere with the good faith efforts of the airline, also trying to find out what happened or what is going on.
My best wishes to MH in their investigations.

I still hope that the plane flew more than 5 hours after it disappeared from radars and landed safely with every passenger onboard somewhere in a clandestine runway in Somalia or somewhere else........ at least for all of them to be alive now. My prayers for all passengers on board.....
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
Back to the basics...
I have noticed differing posting of the last 10 or so flight data points. The original postings in the early days of this event display the last 2 updates with a flight level of zero(0). The recent postings and news reports I've seen in the media seems to fill in those two values with the same 35,000ft as the rest of the 10 updates rather than the original reports of zero.

This maybe a key oversight. And why so many "experts" are focusing on other areas. I believe the last two reports of zero for altitude along with a constant reading for air speed may provide insight.

1. Is the SPEED input to the TRANSPONDER from a PITOT tube based system or another source, say GPS?

2. If it is PITOT tube based, does it share any sub-system component with the PITOT tube based system providing the ALTIMETER input to the transponder?

3. Once that is established a look at relative placement of the two pitot tubes, common power bus connections to the different/same modules, etc. could be analyzed.

4. Many failure possibilities for a perfectly functioning altimeter would produce erratic readings or at least none-zero reading. For an alt. that has ceased to work, the transponder or the system will fill in "zero's" in the data packet.

The fact that the transponder is instantaneously reporting zero while the a/c is 7 miles high in the sky is a key piece of information. The lack of radio reports while the transponder is still working would indicate an in-cabin event which precluded a radio report. Then over a three minute period the transponder ceases reports all together.

It looks like this geographical area is where transponder updates become sketchy as some historic tracks lose data up to a point just short of reaching the Vietnam coast.

All of this points to a rapidly deteriorating electrical system in the aircraft.

The oil rig observation is interesting. The observer is over 300 nm away but it is a dark, cloudless night. His observation of a burning plane would be down near the horizon. But his comment that, from his vantage point, he could perceive no lateral motion lends credibility to his report as we know the plane had just turned more in his direction, head on along with the indication that the event took place much further away than it appears.

If one of those US destroyers in the area is ASW equipped they should run their towed array sonar along 060 to 075 from LKP. The idea it was still in the air for 4 hrs lacks any published data... same as the "military radar" theory. Lets see some data.
Dogone
Dave Barkdoll 2
Jim, transponders only report altitude. At least all the ones I am familiar with. The speed seen on radar scopes is computed internally in the ATC system.
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
great! tks! So the Xpndr worked for up to 3 minutes after the altimeter failed to the extent that it couldn't communicate with the Xpndr or it's error checking told it to report an error message for the last 2 reports. Anyone know the i/f format for these modules? 485, 232, 422/3??? X="trans"
dllbmedia
D. Benjamin 1
This thing is DEFINITELY NOT in the ocean. This thing is going to get very interesting... very quickly. Guaranteed big developments about this incident will be revealed within 72 hours. Watch what happens next..
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Maybe a Suicide terrorist, maybe crew even involved took the plane and ditched it in the ocean (like Scully did on the Hudson) keeping the plane in tack and sinking to the bottom... It would be all in once piece, nothing floating, no fragments. It would be very difficult to do, but not impossible... I do agree that this would be hard, but certainly not impossible. Would be a huge terrorist event.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Might the engines respond to satellite pings if afloat, or would they short out?
Bigboy1942a
Richard Stiller 2
The airplane could be sitting in a hangar at an airport in North Korea. It had enough fuel to fly that far and Kim Jung Un is known for doing crazy stunts. Airplane could have been taken down to 500 feet at last radar contact and flown to N.Korea at that altitude.
seesha
jack shannon 1
I would say it has as good as any chance that it is presently being repainted in Yemen or Iran as we theorize. And where would they fly it? Load it up with their new nuclear bomb and in to the heart of their great enemy......
rc136561
Richard Chandler 1
I agree with your comment $250,000,000.00 just don't vanish without a trace. Given the fact this particular aircraft has 3 not 1 or 2 battery back-ups to the transponder. This device measures airspeed tail identification altitude ETC. Also their is navigation system that constantly feeds data to Malaysia Airlines. Also I don't think the Malaysian Govt. is telling NSTB everything they know.

P.S. Most importantly last words from the cock pit "Goodnight goodbye we are entering Vietnam Airspace."
johneecc
jc contarino 2
With the latest news of this flight flying for several hours after the last control center contact is a little unnerving. I strongly feel the search needs to be at every possible landing place in the middle east or Iran. If this plane was stolen and flown there it can easily show back up on our door step with some dangerous cargo. I think the search should change or include this area very fast.
Scabbard
Mike Yorke 4
I suspect all manner of photography is taking place from aloft. Satellites,astronauts etc.
USA is good at engaging resources in a hurry on such as this - quietly.
pany
Sabino Escobedo 1
Yes, whether people like it or not, the US always investigates incidents properly, without making a big deal out of things - quietly.
I trust US investigations results more than any other investigation entity, specially those from NTSB. NTSB is a serious entity.
I hope NTSB can take the incident under its leadership and responsibility soon, and forget about those Asian government inefficient authorities just interfering in the process.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
MrGoodfellow
Nathan Goodfellow 0
bpres
Brian Presbury 1
to land an aircraft the size of a 777 without any word from anyone lends itself to a country like Somalia. MAS must know the amount of fuel uplifted and hence the range NOT allowing for reserves etc. as these would be planned to be used.I would urge a check on hostile country airstrips
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
My money is on a Somalia landing.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
You think Skinny Rat had something to do with it?
yr2012
matt jensen 1
claudemberg
Claudembergh Emidio Dantas 1
KNOW WHAT TO ACONTECEY MH370: [VIDEO] TRANSPONDER the flight MH370 Malaysian Airlines may have been off 'intentionally'. http://blogdoberguinho.blogspot.com.br/2014/03/video-transponder-do-voo-mh370-da.html
mbazell
mbazell 1
If it did indeed maintain flight for 5 hours after radar lost, it could have made it to the Gulf Of Oman (Muscat air space) or just inside Pakistani border. At Mach .84 for about 5 hrs it would have no problem reaching landfall.

Google earth shows many old abandoned air strips in the desert SE of Muscat such as Ras al Hadd N22 27.9 E59 46.7 whose runway appears to be intact and is long enough (1.5nm long) for a "light" B777 to land. If the 5 hr theory or report is accurate, search and rescue needs to start searching 5 hours out (approx 2275nm)from the point of lost radar and work their way back in towards Kuala Lampur. This whole incident is so bazaar it seems like an episode of The Twilight Zone.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
This was why I was mentioning distance relative to the last known point of contact that 5 - 6 hours of fuel could give.

Karachi is well within range, as well as Darwin, Perth, Cairns, Manila, Chennai, Goa, Mumbai, Colombo, Male, and for that matter, if Muscat is within range, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar, and Bahrain would be as well. If going the other way, that puts Guam in range as well.

Perhaps we were right in thinking that they are too narrow in their search, because if it goes out further, you're looking at a good chunk of the planet to search.
consultafzal
Mohammad Afzal 1
I just fail to understand that in this day and age of cyber space technology, why cannot we get rid of the BLACK BOX and start recording data real time in the CLOUD using real time feed into the cloud database...wake up aviation guys get out of your BLACK BOX theory..
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
First of all, how much money are you willing to contribute to provide the infrastructure, applications development, ongoing maintenance, and personnel costs to support such a system?

What sort of volume of data do you envision such a system would handle?
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
White House Says Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane May Widen to Indian Ocean


http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/white-house-says-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-may-widen-to-indian-ocean/
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
I was expecting this sooner or later.

Now what we need are satellite photos of potential runways within 5-6hr flight radius and at about the time the aircraft ended its flight.

Most likely the route will mostly be over water to avoid military radar.

If this had been planned then they'll likely put the aircraft into hanger once its landed.
bpres
Brian Presbury 1
these runways have to be in an area where people will not open their mouths-Somalia hasn't been mentioned but MAS will know how much fuel was uplifted and hence the range
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
WSJ reports it; Rolls Royce says no! ????? ONE MASSIVE CF!
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Malaysia: Radar Tracked Object Over Strait of Malacca Saturday Morning - Life Raft Reported Found, Fishermen Say They Saw Low-Flying Plane

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/malaysia-radar-tracked-object-over-strait-of-malacca-saturday-morning/
jwmson
jwmson 1
This probably will be a very long process. There will be many false leads that the media will pounce on with its usual feeding frenzy. Indeed, the remains may never be found, especially if they are outside the South China Sea and/or waters near Malaysia.
mojocoops
mojocoops 1
Oil rig worker says he saw Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 burst into flames:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-burst-into-flames/story-fnizu68q-1226853357185
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Apparently, already discounted by NBC.

@AnnCurry: Careful. Reports that new satellite images may show wreckage of Malasia Airlines MH370 are premature.

All of it should be premature until they get multiple sets of eyes on the debris.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
The latest developments reported in the ever increasing mystery of MH370's disappearance
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vsa00njt44sdr2g/MH370%20missing%20flight.txt
dseven
iain MacDonnell 1
From https://www.breakingnews.com/topic/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-march-8-2014/

"Editor's note: CNN and BBC are reporting that Chinese satellite imagery may show the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, near where the jet's transporter turned off. Nothing is confirmed. - Tom"
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Malaysian Transport Minister: Expect ‘Long, Drawn Out’ Wait for Answers

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/malaysian-transport-minister-expect-long-drawn-out-wait-for-answers/
chick3nnn
Eddie Ng 0
Why they don try to use flight simulator from the last spotted area to-recapture the scene with some added feature? my suggestion,correct me if my idea is silly , just concern bout the life over there :(
mbmcginnis
Michael McGinnis 1
Is this a movie or real life? With almost every new squawk there is a new twist. It has certainly kept me on the edge of my seat. This aside, my heart does go out to the families of those missing. I cannot imagine their situation and having to deal with this uncertainty to what happened.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Remember Payne Stewarts private jet when they experienced a decompression? A
Catastrophic decompression event may have rendered the Flight Crew incapacitated. The 777 had 7+ hours of fuel left when it dropped off the radar. Tracking aircraft over land is a given. Over water most likely, no verbal communication. Widen the search grid to the west.
One more thing... buying 1-way tickets with "CASH"? That raises a red flag to me.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Correction: Radar tracks in a straight line. Earth is round, therefore, radar is deemed insignificant. The "Transpoder" on the other hand was turned off. The B-777 is a "High Tech" aircraft with backups.
This is a head scratcher. But my thought is that it was taken down intentionally.
Anybody think about North Korea? They wouldn't own up to it! But the Maylasian government is holding a lot back for some reason. Maybe they don't want to "lose face".
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I doubt NK has the means to carry it off undetected.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 0
No comparison between the 2! Catastrophic decompression at that altitude would destroy the fuselage.
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Malaysian Air Force: Plane Did Not Detour Over Strait

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/malaysian-air-force-plane-did-not-detour-over-strait/
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
...and Russia categorically denies its troops are in Crimea.
So why are they searching the Strait of Malacca?

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tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
I would suggest people take some moments to consider the region of the World where this occurred, and to contemplate the political implications.

AND to understand how military secrets tend to be held very, very "close to the chest".
preacher1
preacher1 2
I really think the military has taken control of this thing and is not telling nothing.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Jurisdiction will be a big issue; esp. when the inevitable lawsuits start. Frankly surprised that they haven't yet.

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joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Not just the real-estate involved. Over a dozen countries with passengers. That includes the possible Irani flying on a stolen Italian passport- does that mean an interest by Iran or Italy?
Welcome to FlightAware.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast

Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west ...

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters....
the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

story here
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Quick questions for the experts here: if the plane turn around and fly westwards, will it have enough fuel to reach east coast of Africa?
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Unlikely. At the most, after flying west for an hour then turning back east, with 6.5 hours of fuel remaining onboard, You're looking at Colombo, Sri Lanka at the least, Goa or Mumbai, India at the most. Definitely wouldn't make Africa without stopping to refuel.
preacher1
preacher1 1
We must be thinking of a hijack by Somali pirates
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
That had not occurred to me. Do they have the resources to plan something like that?
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
After talking to some friends on another website, looking at a map and reading through some of the rumors and a small amount of research it makes sense to me that if there was a problem with the plane they were probably trying to make it to Sultan Ismail Petra but came up short.
trickie
John Smith 1
Help search for MH370 http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014
yr2012
matt jensen 1
What was last reported engine position at Rolls Royce?
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
BREAKING NEWS - Military Tracked Malaysia Airlines Jet to Strait of Malacca

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-moves-to-strait-of-malacca/
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 3
BREAKING NEWS: Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad is the Iranian who boarded MH370 on stolen passport READ HERE DETAILS http://goo.gl/UDoOaW
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet Expands to Land

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-expands-to-land/
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
BREAKING Here is the 19-Year Iranian Photos With Fake Passport,Revealed By Police http://goo.gl/UDoOaW
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Search for Missing Malaysia Airlines Jetliner Turns to Crowdsourcing

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-jetliner-turns-to-crowdsourcing/
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
The airline also announced the last known location of the doomed flight was 06.5515 longitude, 103.3443 latitude — an area of the South China Sea, roughly 100 miles northeast of the Malaysian port city of Bachok and several hundred miles northeast of Kuala Lumpur International Airport, according to Google Maps. NBC News First published March 10th 2014, 9:19 pm
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Did anyone see this?
"Warning of ‘possible terrorist attack on China’ received by Taiwan days before Malaysia Airlines jet vanished"
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1445314/warning-possible-terrorist-attack-china-received-taiwan-days-malaysia
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
I wonder why they are spending so much effort to search the Straight of Malacca, which is on the other side of Malaysia and Thailand.
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
In fact it seems they are searching a larger area of the Straight of Malacca than the Gulf of Thailand, very odd.
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Probably military radar showed an un-id aircraft flying thru there.
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
Why would the pilot turn around and fly the other way, why would he not make radio contact if something is wrong. Something is very odd.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Simple. They've found nothing in the immediate vicinity of where they believe MAS370 went down.

So assume that it didn't go down, and obviously didn't make it to ZBAA. By the time it hit the site where they lost contact, that was what.. 2 hours into the flight? If so, they had 7.5 hours of fuel onboard. 2 hours in leaves them roughly 5.5 hours of fuel left. Using the place they lost contact as the center, you could draw a circle around that center, based on the distance of however long 5.5 hours of fuel could fly them. That would be the maximum amount of area they would need to search. That could get them as far north as Beijing, as far west as Chennai, or Sri Lanka, and as far south as Bali. we know they turned to a 330 heading before falling off the scopes, so that puts them going towards Myanmar or Bangladesh. Hence why they are starting their search in that direction.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Has the course change to 330 been verified? What I've read suggests there was some confusion on this point; they seemed to be hedging on whether or not there had been a change.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It is now generally accepted that the plane had traveled about an hour when it went missing. The confusion early on suggesting a potential 2-hour elapse of flight time prior to loss of contact, was likely due to the time zone difference between Malaysia and Vietnam.

So they'd still have 6 1/2 hours of fuel left after 1 hour of flight.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Even better. That stretches that radius out even further for the maximum area they would need to search. Since some of that could reach land, I don't know if they checked into suitable airports that could take a B772 landing there.

Bangkok, Phuket, Dhaka, Chennai, Colombo, Bali, Timor, and it's a stretch, but Darwin would even be within range.

Granted, ATC would have piped up and said something, but that does help them with widening the search.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
As it turns out the Malaysian military did track the plane until 2:40. That extra hour the plane traveled over the peninsula and they last saw it on radar several hundred miles NE of KL.

So were back to 5 1/2 radius, but from a new starting point.
Jenkloss
Jennifer Kloss 1
I am a member of this website because I have a flying phobia. I fly about twice a year and use flight aware while on the plane to track my flight. Stories like this make me even more terrified, yet I'm drawn to them. It's quite a mystery too so certainly that too is keeping my interest. All those commenting who really do seem to be aviation enthusiasts... Will this keep you from flying? are you as scared as I am ?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
odds are a lot higher of being hit by a car when crossing the street.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
You should remember, that as we discuss the investigation of this incident, how rare these accidents are.

In decades of flying, the 777 has only been in 2 accidents with fatalities (if this turns out that the Malaysia plane did in fact crash resulting in one or more deaths). The other was the Asiana 214 crash at SFO last July that resulted in 3 deaths.

There are so many millions of flights every year, and nearly every single one ends just fine.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Question for the pros: isn't dispatch/operations control able to track their aircrafts by GPS? If trucking fleets have GPS installed to track all their activity why wouldn't airlines have that as well? Thanks.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
No, GPS is for on board navigation only, and inputs to the FDR, not sent via Down-link. Also, ACARS does not immediately send, it only sends data every 5 minutes or so.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
We're back at square one. There are new revelations that seem to indicate that the stolen passports may have more to do with a stolen passport syndicate than terrorism.

Also, it is being reported that the US has reviewed their infrared satelite data that looks for missile launches, and did not find the signature of a fuel explosion mid-air.

So the plane likely traveled some distance from the point of last radar contact.

Now the question is, where did the plane go?:
1. Did it slowly lose altitude and crash into the sea at a point further away and away from where everyone is searching?
2. Did they land somewhere (whether at the direction of hijackers or not)?
3. Did they crash on land and are covered by the triple canopy jungle endemic in the area?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Check out my post for an idea of what could have happened... text search for: "Looking for opinions..." Would like to know your opinion.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
From another site:

"The early warning system for the North American Air Defence Command detected no anomalies related to Flight 370, said one of the officials. Norad’s infrared and visual imagery can pick up heat sources such as explosions and missile launches, the official said."

As you and others have pointed out, there is a certain lack of information disclosure. Can we assume the above information is complete?
mojocoops
mojocoops 1
I am thinking point 1 is the case, but still very odd that all contact was lost and the reports of mumbling on the radio from the pilot that was ahead. Unless for some reason all occupants of the plane succumbed to hypoxia - but surely that would've sent off alarm bells from the monitoring system also.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Questions; possible confusion on my part. Who had last radio contact with the flight?
ATC or Company radio?
What location had last radar contact with the flight?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Looking for opinions... I think I know how to make a 777 to totally disappear without a trace... Opinions please!

Suppose it was taken over by Hijackers/Terrorist. They then take over the cockpit and kill everyone onboard. 2nd they smooth land the plane on the water like Scully did in the Hudson and keeping the plane in tack, committing suicide let the plane sink... All the floatables would be contained in the fuselage... The fuel tanks being almost full and sealed fuel caps would explain why there is no oil slick... Or at least not yet, Once the plane is found, then the terrorist group will claim victory, The longer it takes the more attention it will draw and bigger victory for the HiJackers... Also, with that much fuel, they could have turned the a/c off course to further delay things. Can anyone think of anything else... The pilot could have even been in on the entire scheme.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
It would take a lot of resources. Intimate 777 expertise to know what all to shut off, radar coverage by multiple countries' military to avoid, collusion at the originating airport. Say you did gain control and silence the craft, drop to low elevation to go under radar etc, what would be the range with fuel on board? Try to envision shoreside landing spot where nobody would notice within that range.

That would imply the resources of a nation-state or the equivalent.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
They were estimated to have 5 hours on board... They would have had a min of 3 hours to work with... Not thinking of bring it on shore.. talking about ditching it like Capt Scully did with Airbus on the Hudson after he lost both engines... Then just let it sing all in one piece.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Not very likely; water landings are very tricky.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
> "water landings are very tricky."

Especially in the darkness of night.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Nothing else seems to be likely either... To use a phrase from Star Trek Mr. Spock: "If you have looked at the most most probable cause, it may be the least probable cause". Paraphrased, but you get the jest of it.
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 1
At some point someone should start looking at remote landing options within 7.5hrs flight time of Gulf of Thailand. I think is pretty clear this plane didn't go down in the Gulf of Thailand. Like it or not hijacking is becoming more and more likely!!
jp1778
john peter -1
So much for the accuracy of flightaware. They have always been 3-5 minutes behind time. When I track flights I find that the plane has landed and flightaware still has is in the air on final.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
May I suggest you look into planeplotter.com and run your own tracking system.
I see a/c tracked overhead when they are overhead and FA has them further back.
preacher1
preacher1 1
The 3-5 minute delay is a security feature for FA and any other tracking site and has been there and well known for a long time. It's the same on take off or coming overhead. Just deal with. Friend of mine was showing still taixiing at CLT the other nite. Only with live ATC did we hear him.
und1974
und1974 1
I have a question that I am sure someone on this site can answer. When I was in the Air Force our radar had both raw radar image, i.e. the "blip" (Even though we all know it doesn't make any sound.) and the IFF info from the transponder. I remember, and this is where I may be way out in left field, that the FAA ONLY used IFF, i.e. transponder data and NO real raw radar image. If this is still true today what would happen if you're flying along and someone turns the transponder off. With no raw radar image the ATC controller screen goes blank because you have no transponder info, at least for that one aircraft. Is this true today? Does ATC ONLY use transponder info and no raw radar "blip"?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Best I know, they use them both as they are 2 separate functions. Radar will show you that something is there. Transponder will tell you what it is. At least that's how I think it is. To tell you the truth, I am not sure myself, but there are some controllers on this site that can give an exact answer.
und1974
und1974 1
I know they are two separate functions and that is why I asked the question. Does the FAA still use the radar "blip" or just transponder info only.

I remember the equipment we had in the Air Force there was an alignment procedure you went through to make sure the raw radar data, i.e. the "blip" and the IFF/transponder info coincided on your screen at the same point. If the pilot turned their transponder off then the only thing the controller saw was the raw radar return. In fact may times, as a training exercise, the controllers had to handle aircraft only using raw radar returns, no transponder info.

So my question remains, what happens if the transponder is turned off? What does the ATC controller see on their screen?

Thanks for your input.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 2
IFF/Transponder code is digital data. radar blip is an echo. Transponder data identifies the radar blip.
und1974
und1974 1
I understand and agree with what you said Joe. I know the transponder sends digital data such as aircraft ID, and altitude. I also know it is displayed on the controllers screen coinciding with the radar blip, i.e. the echo return. My question is 2 part. Does the FAA, and other agencies, still use the radar return, i.e. the echo AND the transponder data or do they just use the transponder digital data only? If they only use the transponder data what happens on the controllers screen? Doesn't the aircraft "disappear" if the transponder is turned off?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
If transponder is off/non-functional, you would get an unidentified blip which prompts consternation in towers and regional centers.
preacher1
preacher1 1
That's what I thought, Joe; tks for the full info.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
I'm beginning to believe if it was terrorism, it was the 5 passengers and their "removed" baggage rather than the false passport duo. Though their tickets were purchased suspiciously by an Iranian contact and in cash, if its true they were originally booked on Qatar/Ethiad flights, I don't believe they would have wanted to make a drastic airline and route change at the last minute if they wanted to target a specific flight. There are plenty of other reasons to pay for a ticket in cash and use false passports, which are still probably 110% illegal, that don't involve blowing up an airliner.
jozefverleysen
jozef verleysen 1
This question popped up in my mind : 5 passengers did not show for boarding, but were checked in with Luggage. SOP is then to remove the checked Luggage of these passengers.
How was this done, so that the plane still could leave on its STD ? My yearlong experience tought me that looking for, and unloading Luggage, takes about an hour.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/index.php?pageid=event_update_read&edis_id=VI-20140308-42948-OTH&uid=14731
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Four passengers on flight 370 failed to board after checking in their luggage, which raised further suspicion about the passengers after the plane disappeared.

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ualiah
Peter Crew 1
Truly a mystery,,,,,Iran in the mix now,,,wow....Pan Am Lockerbie all over again????? Only difference, there is no plane!
preacher1
preacher1 1
Keeping in mid that if the PanAm wouldn't have been late, it would have been out over deep water instead of spread over Scotland. This one just got out there. It will all be interesting but I still think a whole lot more is known here than what is being told or there are way too many cooks in the kitchen, which is why so many different stories and theories are coming out.

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joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I think you need to re-read that thread.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
three choices: it went down in the water; it went down in the jungle; it flew under radar and landed somewhere
Bneidhardt
Bneidhardt 1
My guess is that it landed somewhere....this is all too funky....

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AONeal79
AONeal79 1
The phones that ring have already been confirmed as being forwarded to another number - this is why it doesn't go straight to voicemail.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
1. Mobile phones will not work under water.
2. Mobile phones will surely cease to work if they have been involved in an explosion.
3. WHY can the connections to these mobiles not be traced?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, they are either false reports or there is a lot more known than the authorities are telling. That part could be a culture thing in that they really don't give a damn about the media and the feeling of the American public with their insatiable appetite for "I want it right now". We saw a little of this in the 214 saga.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
So much of it all just doesn't add up!

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gavinrmartin
gavin martin 1
Black boxes record valuable data, but in this day and age it is unbelievable (and embarrassing) that this data is not uploaded in real time to ground-based systems. Forensic data would be available immediately, not to mention the astronomical cost savings in recovery operations.

As a passenger today on a commercial flight with wi-fi internet, with my ipad and consumer software, I can log realtime flight data on a remote server on with gps coordinates, altitude, cabin pressure and temperature and g-force. It is unthinkable to me that the airline industry still relies on an outdated solution of hunting down a logging device that stays with the wreckage.

Maybe the pilots union is not crazy about having all this flight info databased (Pilot performance review: "Bob, looking at your last 100 flights, it looks like you overshot final approach 16 times, and your landings averaged 23% more gs than the type average for this airline..... )

My understanding is that black-box data is overwritten on every new flight unless an incident or accident is noted. Anyone, please correct me if I am wrong.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
I think you're right. I know the CVR is wiped clean once the aircraft "blocks" at the gate.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Your understanding is correct on the overwrite. Regarding the other, the info is downloaded on ACARS. It may not be quite up to the minute on account of transmission time but should be able to get up to at least the last few minutes. If you will remember, AF had a whole bunch of data going into the final moments of 447. Look down here in this comment string for a post by sparkie951 for an explanation of how ACARS works. My whole point here is that there is a lot here that is not being told for whatever reason. In particular, if it did try and turn back then something was happening.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
So called "BlackBoxes" use hard disks as the record media and record continuously when operating. Data storage depends on the size of the drive. Flight Data Recorder records a lot of parameters. Newer units might use flash memory, I don't know.

Limitations on ACRS from Wikipedia: VHF communication is Line-of-sight propagation and provides communication with ground-based transceivers (often referred to as remote ground stations). The typical range depends on altitude, with a 200-mile transmission range common at high altitudes. Thus VHF communication is only applicable over land masses which have a VHF ground network installed.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
A lot of the ACARS messages from AF447 seemed to be in the 'something wrong' category. How much ACARS traffic is 'all AOK, nothing happening'. Could a the timing of a catastrophic event be calculated from the end of the ACARS stream?
preacher1
preacher1 1
I guess it could be calculated or an educated guess made, but personally, a catastrophic event is generally instantaneous. As you said, it could be a timing thing, depending on where the broadcast was.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I'm not real sure of the overwrite procedure at the gate either. It may be done by mx after they download the last gap off ACARS but if all is OK, I know it is clean for next flight, so thy can have a new starting point, or at least that's how they did ours.
joeScars
Joe Raio 1
I think its a great idea but I have to think that this has already been thought of. Maybe its the volume of data the black boxes record? It might be too much to send in real time via satellite.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Reference from Wikipedia - FAA requires FDR to record a minimum of 88 parameters. Most FDRs record approximately 17–25 hours worth of data in a continuous loop.

Apparently ACRS Sat. links are only used on polar flights due to costs.

Wikipedia has pretty good non-technical (mostly) articles on both ACRS and Flight Data Recorders
flyingcookmosnter
flyingcookmosnter 1
I agree with Gavin here. Really, the only data that would need to be uploaded to get a decent picture is GPS lat/long, airspeed, attitude, and altitude. All of the other metrics could be left on the black-boxes for in depth analysis.

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mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 1
finally Iranian is wanted person for interpol
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
Civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman declined to confirm this, but said authorities were looking at the possibility the men were connected to a stolen passport syndicate.

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MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Geez, who got suspended and for what???
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Summary: No more hard facts than were known 3 days ago. Aircraft is missing. No confirmed debris located so far. No transcripts or radar plots released as of yet.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Oil slicks checked- not jet fuel.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Correct! "Yellow life raft" was seaweed on cable reel.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Latest is the search area has been expanded as they now believe the jet turned left - as if to return.
preacher1
preacher1 2
aviate, navigate, then communicate. Obviously something happened and they were too busy trying to fly the plane to talk, as they had been trained to do. Whatever happened, it seems to be a good example of things going to hell in a handbasket.

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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Who is the suspended poster???

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Carioca
Tomer Ariav 1
I am starting to believe that they had a work accident. The bomb (or bombs) were for some other flight but went off too early. It happens from time to time. Which kind were used: underwaer or shoes?

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TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
"man by the name of Kazem Ali purchased the tickets While Ali made the initial booking by telephone, paid for the tickets in cash...security footage from the airport and said the men who traveled on the stolen passports "are not Asian-looking men."

See anything familiar here?
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
In a plot to take down U.S. jetliners, a trial run overseas using Philippine Airlines Flight 434 resulted in an explosion in a critical area of the aircraft. The key to this incident was the lack of "credit" by Al-Qaeda. This was to preserve their bigger plan to attach 11 US lanes over the deep Pacific waters.
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
I want to know more about the people who checked in but didn't board... I hope they're being asked about their reasoning.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
Obviously, I don't know how valid the source is. But multiple Malaysian newspapers apparently say the two men that purchased their tickets with false passports were asked to do so by an Iranian Contact.
One of them: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=241062:mr-ali-cash-a-tehran-mobile-number-missing-flight-takes-on-sinister-twist-with-iranian-link-in-ticket-purchase&Itemid=2#.Ux3wkPldWSo
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
Also of note: they were originally booked on Qatar and Ethiad flights, but later booked on the Malaysian flight. Obviously nothing for certain, but if that's true terrorism would seem less likely.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 0
No claim of responsibility would negate an act of terror unless it was done by a very small isolated cell wanting to remain anonymous. The military(s) of Vietnam and China should be asked if all of their air to air missiles are accounted for or if any such missiles were fired in training exercises or inadvertently the day of the aircraft's disappearance. No distress messages from the aircraft would indicate a sudden violent event of some nature.

It is amazing that no last transponder squawks or radar hits were recorded from the aircraft anywhere apparently. Additionally it is puzzling the aircraft's presence at some points in its flight path were not observed or monitored by any other traffic.
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.
flyingcookmosnter
flyingcookmosnter 2
Hong Kong ATC has reported this morning an aircraft has spotted a debris field found 280NM north east of current search area. Picture is up on Aviation Herald and it doesn't look good.

Peace and hope for the families - could be nothing.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0
wallypiper
Wally Piper 1
The debris has been inspected and determined not to be from and aircraft.

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Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Now reporting that the oil slick is not from the missing Malaysia aircraft.
RedRackham
RedRackham 2
Hong Kong’s Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.
kea001
Tom Kearney 1
Already been discounted. Sorry.
kea001
Tom Kearney 0
The coordinates for the debris field are the same coordinates for this recently discovered unmarked shipwreck

http://www.thecrewreport.com/features/20927/unmarked-wreck-off-vung-tau-vietnam

marine debris around 09043'N, 107025'E
shipwreck 10-17.7°N, 107-03.00°E

Subsequently no debris was found by searchers. This is also 500km away from waypoint IGARY, where ACC lost aircraft transmission.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
I'm not here to argue either side, but the coordinates for the shipwreck are a degree west of the coordinates for the debris field. Also, when you compare the two on a map, the debris is SE of Ho Chi Min, while the shipwreck is S/SW. Furthermore, this debris field location is consistent with the one that a passenger on a PEK-KUL flight claims to have photographed SE of Ho Chi Minh
Oogleboogle
Cyrus Sakhaee 1
Oogleboogle
Cyrus Sakhaee 1
In my opinion, Hijacking would be the most likely situation that occurd. Reasons-

- Before MH 370 lost contact with Air Traffic Control, another aircraft in the same airspace (30 miuntes ahead of the MH 370) was requested by Air Traffic Control to try to contact MH 370 with an emergency frequency. Contact was succesful, but was static and communication was broken. The other aircraft just heard "mumbbling" from the other side. A couple miunutes later, it dissapears.

- No distress call was made, I presume due to force of some "hijackers".

- The Aircraft started going off-course 10 miuntes before it dissapearing. The aircraft headed at 025 which is a bit too much to the right. The aircraft started making turns back the way they came from. Why was no distress call made in all this time?

I would rule out a mid-air explosion, the aircraft was acting suspicously 10 minutes before it dissapearing so any un-intentional possibilites can be ruled out.


This is just my opinion, I can be wrong but all information I have stated above is true.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Hijacking DOES NOT rule out a midair disintegration. Hijacker can have a bomb, which exploded intentionally or accidentally for any reason.

It would only widen the search area for fallen debris, as well as airfields that an hijacked airline could be landed within the circle of potential flight for the airliner in question from the last reported radar contact. Even then it's not so easy to hide a plane the size of a 777, if it had landed at some airstrip.

But why wouldn't one of the pilots squawk a hijack frequency? Why wouldn't we have heard from anyone on board? (Was the airliner equipped with wifi and/or airplane position following on the seat-back IFE?)

There are data reporting functions on the plane, so there are technical people that will have a better idea of what happened to the plane. There is a major visible search involving lots of planes and boats from many countries. So either those in a position to know have reason to believe that either the plane perished, or are using the search as a diversion while they look for the plane or involved individuals elsewhere, or pay a ransom or whatever.

I tend to go with highest probability of likelihood, which is that there isn't a conspiracy. By far the likeliest course of events involved the plane and its' occupants perishing over the sea.

Those involved in the search will eventually find evidence to corroborate whatever happened to the plane. The whole plane which isn't soneasy to hide, or more likely a piece of debris. The rest of us need to be patient, which will not be easy for some.
preacher1
preacher1 2
There are still discrepancies in the tracking times, and using the search as a diversion is really a possibility that has not been brought up. In all probability though, it is probably going to come down to a catastrophic failure of some kind for whatever reason and a debris field will be found and then this comment string will go to a "WHAT HAPPENED" until the boxes are found. The thing that is bothering me though is that with AF447, the basics were known fairly quick from the ACARS transmissions. No such release has been made here that I am aware of.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
I agree everything went wrong during frequency change, perfect time to descent and change course.....

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petervee
Peter Vee 2
it seems to me that these are the possibilities for what happened to MAS370: either there was a catastrophic failure (although a fully fuel laden plane crashing would have created a fireball visible for miles and there have been no reports or debris); someone did try to get in the cockpit, turned off the transponder and after a fight with the crew the plane crashed (but no signs of that), or we are witnessing a new type of extortion: no point commandeering ships/tankers; more money can be made by high jacking planes and flying them under the radar to pretty much any small airport anywhere (777 requires about 1850m/6200ft). I have asked Google to uploaad recent images of the area so that folks like us can search for either debris or the aircraft. Does any one else share these thoughts?
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Everything becomes sophisticated over time ever airplane hijacking! I am starting to believe that this airplane did not crash.
LEGROUP
GUSTAVO MALDONADO 1
da la sensacion de atentado, si así es, estamos ante un nuevo desafio en materia de seguridad aeroportuaria.
rayngmelb
Raymond Ng 2
Report: Civil aircraft spots suspected metal debris in search for missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, Vietnam says - @BloombergTV
BREAKING [7:04pm]: According to VN Express, a commercial plane from out of Hong Kong has reported seeing several large pieces of debris 60km southeast of Vung Tau, a coastal city in Vietnam.

Could that be CX719 that's spotted it? Why is CX719 backtracking towards VN when it's only an hour from it's destination?
kea001
Tom Kearney 2
The coordinates for the debris field are the same coordinates for this recently discovered unmarked shipwreck

http://www.thecrewreport.com/features/20927/unmarked-wreck-off-vung-tau-vietnam

marine debris around 09043'N, 107025'E
shipwreck 10-17.7°N, 107-03.00°E

Subsequently no debris was found by searchers. This is also 500km away from waypoint IGARY, where ACC lost aircraft transmission.
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
BREAKING via THE NEW STRAITS TIMES: A sample of the oil slick spotted on Saturday in the South China Sea has been found to have no connection to the missing plane.

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MattHauke
Matt Hauke 0
This is already been proven to be a false report.
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 0
MYSTERY is still there... I pray for them
mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 0
HOPE IS STILL THERE.. #PrayForMH370
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
One of the two suspects who boarded flight MH370 is not from Xinjiang, the north-west region of China racked by violent clashes between native Uighurs and the authorities, according to Malaysia’s Star Online citing a Malaysia police official.
RedRackham
RedRackham 2
The Guardian's graphics team has put together this map showing the flight path and the two main search sites:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/10/1394448464928/967f1f35-06f3-4140-ba2f-509a95372457-486x540.jpeg
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
One of the two suspects who travelled on Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 using stolen passports has been identified. "I can confirm that he is not a Malaysian, but cannot divulge which country he is from yet," said Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar. He added that both suspects had no record of entering the country legally.

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MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 0
she should not loose hope, hats off to her courage
mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 0
this is really really sad. she brought newspaper for her also. i want to cry

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mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter -1
she is even young and pretty
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
FlightAware is really not the place for posts like this.

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RedRackham
RedRackham 1
That report of the sighting of a possible life raft turns out to have been a false alarm.Vietnam Civil Aviation Authority said the “yellow object” it reported being sighted floating off the coast of southern Vietnam was not a life raft from the missing Boeing. 
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Latest report: Possible lifeboat spotted by pilot in Gulf of Thailand

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/search-for-missing-malaysian-air-jet-widens-possible-lifeboat-spotted/
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
The Malaysian Transport minister has confirmed that the results from the analysis of an oil slick sample are taking 'longer than expected' to be revealed. Boeing has arrived in Malaysia to assist with the investigation.

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RedRackham
RedRackham 2
This is from the 8th of March. It's safe to say that everybody is aware of the stolen passports. Ridiculous post.
fitzfam
Brian Fitzgerald 1
The Flight Aware log for this flight shows the position & orientation at the time it lost contact, why is this information not used by the authorities?
Brian Fitzgerald
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
Why aren't the five passengers that checked-in but never boarded, and whose luggage was removed, being questioned?
anhngq
anhngq 0
New finding, possibly a life vest

http://m.f29.img.vnecdn.net/2014/03/10/vatthela-3487-1394433611.jpg

Source: http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su/phat-hien-vat-the-mau-da-cam-nghi-la-phao-2961411.html
kea001
Tom Kearney 1
Search grid. Starting on red box today. http://cms.tienphong.vn/Uploaded/nguyenhoang/2014_03_10/14_IFCK.jpg

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anhngq
anhngq 2
Just a little side news:

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One woman, whose mother was on the plane, said: “We hope the Chinese government sends search teams as soon as possible.”

“We don’t trust the Vietnamese people.”

She added: “Nobody has got in touch with us. Nobody talks to us except volunteers and hotel staff.”
>

Source: http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/08/beijing-anxious-wait-for-relatives-of-passengers-on-missing-jet/
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 2
Even in grief these people find time to spew their hate. Disgusting.
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
XINHUA: A Chinese person from Fujian whose passport number is among those listed for passengers aboard a missing Malaysia Airlines flight did not board the plane. The name listed by Malaysia Airlines for the passenger was different to that of the individual who holds the passport with the number in question. The owner said the passport had never been lost or stolen.

Strange.
gta4ever
John Smith 1
Maybe nothing but watch the whole movement of the fast plane! On its way direction China, Suddenly turns around the other way around. Then you see it becomes the little ? and then it was going very fast to direction China again. Strange.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOnttdqTXIQ
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Any pilots flown through Vietnam's airspace recently? Please share if you experienced anything unusual as far as communication problems or if they could not identify your aircraft for longer than usual. Disappearance occurred right on the boundary between Malaysia and Vietnam, wonder if there is some sort of dead zone.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Black box manufacturer guarantees 30 days, but it may last longer.
BlueBaron
Bruce Thompson 1
In 600 hundred feet of water it will surely be found within that time frame
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Exactly. In most places in that area the depth is much less.

But if the plane disintegrated at altitude ad some are predicting, the area in which the debris is scattered will be large. It will take time to search.

People just need to relax and have patience. But in this 24-hour constant news cycle, many are looking for the next tidbit of information, not least the journalists.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Of course. Today's media is all about "fresh, fast, and FIRST", without regard for accuracy. As long as the media outlets get the hits on their website and are credited with getting their story out first, they don't care. Some outlets do the right thing, but most don't care as long as they get to the news first.

And that's what sucks. This is a whole other topic, so don't get me started.
BlueBaron
Bruce Thompson 1
It is my understanding that the US has deployed several P3 Orions, which have magnetic sensing capacity for underwater metal. I would think that cooperation with the various authorities will be problematic for US Military assets
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Co-operation won't be anywhere as big an issue as coordination. There are many countries that have contributed resources. But without a lead agency with strong leadership and coordination skills, it is a difficult challenge that is made that much more difficult.

I'm not familiar with the technical abilities of their systems. If a high altitude disintegration occured, that will lead to lots of small pieces scattered over a wide area. So finding pieces will be difficult, no matter which technologies are used.

The area is not hospitable to submarines because of the shallowness of many nearby waters. But maybe some surface watercraft can find the pings of the recorders with good listening equipment.
BlueBaron
Bruce Thompson 1
How long will the black box on a 77 continue to "ping" to assist the surface vessels to locate it
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
It can...pending on temperature and conditions. It's max depth in water is approx. 20,000ft..
Nrice91
Noah Rice 1
If they were in Vietnamese airspace my guess is they were talking to Ho Chi Minh radio, then what was there last radio transmission. what was there last position report.. and maybe triangulate that area. thoughts??
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 3
It is reported that they were about to enter Vietnamese airspace. HCM tried reaching out to them, but there was never any radio communication between the MH370 and the Vietnamese, that was reported. One can surmise that Vietnam could see the plane on radar before they tried to reach out them by radio, before they suddenly disappeared.
jbrogan
jbrogan 1
Question for the pros.....while probably a zero chance, but could a plane switch off the important electronics and descend rapidly to 500 feet or just above the sea and fly off to another airfield hundreds of miles away without radar picking it up? Some non commercial airfield. Just wondering if at night it would be possible t
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
Might be possible if it weren't being tracked by Vietnam military radar. They lost radar contact, which likely happened when the plane disintegrated.

Could've also happened if the plane were leaving their radar coverage area. Which may be behind the comments about the possibility of the plane turning around. The plane would not likely have diverted back to KL without radio or cell contact with flight ops.

If it were an emergency, then it us extremely unlikely they've would've turned around, when they ere approaching a land mass with closer airports. A diversion back to KL would've been for non-emergency mechanical issues.

So, possible (maybe, but even then just barely). The plane can turn off the on-board transponders. But short of being a stealth military plane, they'd have a hard time not being seen by ground radar. A 777 is a big plane. It can't not be seen by radar in the radar's coverage area.
ernestophelan
ERNESTO PHELAN 0
Possible door fragment. Picture taken from a recognition aircraft flying the area were MH370 make its last contact. Click on the link below....

https://www.breakingnews.com/topic/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-march-8-2014/
Carioca
Tomer Ariav 0
ernestophelan
ERNESTO PHELAN 0
Hi Tomer: Possible door fragment:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/09/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-possible-debris-plane
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 2
Nothing confirmed-WSJ and NYT say "possible debris".
ernestophelan
ERNESTO PHELAN -4
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Hi everyone. I used to be be a private pilot with not great experience but enthusiast of aviation and great viewer of "MAY DAY air chrashes" by Discovery Channel on TV. Lets go over the facts. 1.- plane lost contac with air traffic control and never arrive to its destination. 2. It went down, no doubt !!! There are only 4 major causes for an airplane to crash: 1.- Human error compose of: 1.1- pilot error or 1.2- maintenance error. 2.- Meteorological conditions 3.- Aircraft malfunction. 4.- Acts of terrorism Applying some logic lets analyze this 4 points. About point number 1 or human error I personally do not believe on pilot (1.1) error since that plane was alreadfy on cruising altitude and speed and control by the onboard computer and autopilot. Now, point 1.2 maintenance error only the airlines could tell about the maintenan or recent repairs done to the B777-200. This is an interesting point to take in consideration that could only be disregard knowing the maintenance orders on that aircraft and since I do not have acces to it, lets take this fact as probable cause of the accident. Point number 2 or meteorological conditions, is well know that climate conditions wee not hard or severe, thus, this is barely a cause of the accident. Number 3 Aircrat malfunction. Although this is a very modern aircrat, almost state of the art, could be a reason, a hard one. As a matter of fact, I read couple days ago that B787 real state of the aircraft rolled out of plant with cracks on the wings. And as my last point (4) ACT OF TERRORISM. I really doub it since this nation (Malaysia), as far as I know, is not involved in any political or religious incident around the world but there is something that let me think pretty much about the fact of an onboard explosion or bomb. The reason is that the crew did never notify of any aircrat malfunction or that the were going down. They did never sent a distress call or SOS and that is vere weir and strange. Could lead us to think that something unexpected ans subit happened and did not let the crew any chance or time to make any report.

I ARRIVED TO THE FOLLOWING CONCLUSIONS as possible causes of the 777 (MH370)crash:

1. HUMAN ERROR (maintenance)
2. Aircraft malfunction (computer,speed indicator,stall indicator, vertical speed indicator or sensors fire on board, door locks or decompression....who knows !!!!!
3. Terrorism
OZAIR
OZAIR -1
AONeal79
AONeal79 2
Well then I guess we can all go home now.

/sarcasm
ernestophelan
ERNESTO PHELAN 1
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 1
Definitely terrorism related

Passport not corresponding to appearance :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA2701720140310?irpc=932

Huge presence of PRC passengers :
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-officials-not-ruling-out-uighur-involvem
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 2
Positive identification of debris?

http://www.roomeetimes.com/debris-from-vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-found-in-the-sea-of-vietnam.html
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Short answer: NO! Not confirmed.

This is a rehash from last night's news. The pic was taken by a search plane (not reported in this article) in fading light (not reported in this article) and that why need to send rescue ships to confirm that the 2 pieces of debris she anything to do with the plane (also not reported in the article).

Last night's news, but only half of it.

Journalists always need something to publish, even if it's a rehash.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
If the pix was taken @ FL33, then the pieces would have to be pretty large to be seen. Should be easy to locate if so.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
FL33? At QNH 1013/altimeter 29.92, there wouldn't be a FL33. That would be 3,300ft MSL. Are you sure you don't mean FL330? If not, what is the transition altitude for that sector?
ernestophelan
ERNESTO PHELAN -4
In honor of all souls onboard fligh MH370 from Malaysia Airlines, we must pray for their arrival to their new destination in heaven next to the lord our God
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 4
No, we "must" not. Take your platitudes elsewhere.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 2
Apparently this photo/link was taken by a passenger on another MH flight from KUL to Beijing the next day. Reportedly 90 minutes out of KUL showing the debris field. If its true its kinda sad how they can't find this, seems pretty obvious (again, IF its real). I don't think this is a repost but sorry if it is.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-pictures-claimed-be-showing-wreckage-plane-posted-chinese-1439484
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 1
Really. That's no way real. Have you ever looked it an airplane window from 35,000 ft? Clearly not if you think that's a real pic!!
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 0
Well that's why I said "IF its real" haha. But no, I had my doubts. Although, I have to say its potentially believable, just depends on the size of the debris we're seeing and the zoom on the camera.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
This is why I have trouble with that picture. Open google earth and look at your house from 5,000 ft. Then zoom out to 30,000 ft. What kind of detail go you get? Or look at the boneyard in Tucson, AZ.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
Check that...reportedly on a flight FROM Beijing to KUL, that would put it on the perfect timeline with when the photo was claimed to have been taken.
cblair0608
cblair0608 1
I wonder if N. Korea fired another missle like they done last week? The last missle crossed area's highly traveled by commercial airline traffic.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 2
I'm not in the Aviation business but I travel back and forth to Asia and am quite freaked out about traveling now.
You have a great board here and I really appreciate being able to read all of these posts from so many smart people & veteran pilots. I sent the link to my brother who is a former Air Force pilot- he will love this board.
Thanks for letting me join you
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
Regardless of what comes of this. One thing already needs to be fixed. The Passport system world wide. I know it's a hard problem to fix, but revoking a passport didn't seem to do any good here. Not saying it was a terrorist attack, but still they should have never been allowed to fly with that passport.

While writing this it made me think about USA domestic flights. Doesn't seem very hard to fake a name, address and ID. I don't even think they check the DL# to see if it's valid.

Short of DNA and other biometric systems i don't think there is anyway to prevent someone from getting on a flight if they dedicated everything they have to it.
AONeal79
AONeal79 0
"Malaysian officials also reported Sunday that five ticketed passengers with checked baggage had failed to board the plane. Their luggage was removed prior to departure."

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/u-s-investigates-possible-terror-links-in-malaysian-air-flight-mystery-continues/
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
"their luggage was removed prior to departure"
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
Yes, exactly...this is a standard safety protocol.
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
That wasn't the part that stood out to me. It was the five people who checked in but didn't board.
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
"At least one relative of a Chinese passenger on board the missing flight has successfully been able to ring his mobile phone - but nobody answers. Eerie video footage emerged of the family of the missing man ringing his phone live on state television. The call connected, but no one picked up."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-ten-3223447

Granted, it's the Mirror....
teutz
daniel klein 2
http://www.planecrashes.org/malaysia-mh370-plane-probe-narrows-on-mid-air-disintegration-source.html
pilotenthusiast
Ethan Begrowicz 1
The Vietnamese said that they may have found a door from the plane in the same spot that they found the oil slicks
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Terrorism?
I just posted a squawk to focus on that question at:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/link/1/24_hours/new/40677/Was_Malaysia_Flight_370_a_terrorist_event

The current squawk can focus on the search and recovery.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
does anyone know why when you click on the link for the new squawk it goes to breakingnews.com?
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Probably operator error. Thanks for pointing it out. Try:

http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/linked/email/alert/40633/
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
still the wrong link- it comes back to this squawk.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Definitely operator error.
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/direct/linked/40677/
If at first you don't succeed, try a few more times then say ^$#* wit it.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
actually, the link on this thread works but the link on the main page still goes to breakingnews.com
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Yay- it worked! you needed to add the ^$#* to get it to work!
sram1008
sunny ram 0
the more the time passes without news of this aircraft, the more the possibility of hijacking. why else would they be sending so many warships and combat planes? they certainly are not suited for search or rescue operations. no distress calls, no radar contact, possibility of plane turning around(??), no debris, no explosion detected by US satellites...??
sram1008
sunny ram 1
if that were true, hopefully people are still alive!!
jws35
jws35 0
Haven't we seen this before ? What if MH370 was hijacked and was turning around to go back to Kuala Lumpur to ram the Petronas Towers ? Then, like in PA, some people on board dove the aircraft into the sea to prevent another 911 type event.
ericdasilva
Eric da Silva 1
Look it's possible that MH370 could of tried to turn back.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-jet-may-have-turned-back-before-vanishing-1.2565649
dm831
Dave McCoy 2
Wouldn't surprise me if the authorities know something and they are not disclosing it until they are able to do some investigating e.g. if it is a terrorist attack they may be trying to track down some of the people involved. Seems strange the lack of information coming out. I was surprised that the FlightAware data isn't really the flight path, it shows the flight went at least two and a half hours. I noticed they took of the altitude and speed data for the flight.
charlie010780
chris p 1
I want to know about today's flight, MH370/09March. It's delayed, what is the cause?
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 2
I noticed that too. Check out the tracking log too.
charlie010780
chris p 1
ok, i'm looking at flightradar24.com it says delayed, but on here it says departing soon.. maybe just a website tech error..
LITTLEDOLORES
ALLAN WISE 2
My National Geographic World Maps suggest that the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea are relative shallow along the probable flight path of MH370. Less than 100 meters. Much different than the recovery of AF447.

Have not heard this mentioned anywhere.
jrhausman
James Hausman 1
Plane would have gone down in what is technically the Gulf of Thailand.0-45 meter

Average depth is 40-45 meters and max depth of 80-90 meters. Divers can recover the plane.

Very similar to SA111 in Nova Scotia in 1998.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Read down in the post. There is a link to a nautical chart for the area. 60 metres
RedRackham
RedRackham 2
Vietnam’s Civil Aviation Authority says a navy plane has found parts suspected of belonging to the Malaysian Airlines plane, Reuters reports. The sighting has not yet been confirmed by Malaysian Airlines, which said an hour ago that it was waiting for information from search and rescue teams. 
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Vietnam officials are reporting a piece of tail and inner ...

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/vietnam-officials-report-spotting-debris-from-malaysia-flight/
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Vietnam Officials Report Spotting Debris from Malaysia Flight

Vietnamese officials said they had located debris in the Gulf of Thailand from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing with 239 people on board.

The Vietnamese ministry of information and communication reported on its website that the items were believed to be a composite inner door and....

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/vietnam-officials-report-spotting-debris-from-malaysia-flight/
yr2012
matt jensen -2
Yesterday I mentioned that some pilot must have seen or been in contact. I was righthttp://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-pilot-contacted-mh370-just-it-
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
"Vietnam’s search and rescue vessels have spotted a fresh object has been spotted floating in the South China Sea, according to Wall Street Journal reporter Vu Trong Khan. An earlier mysterious object turned out not to be the missing aircraft."

#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue aircraft spotted new floating object. Authorities are not sure what it is.

pic.twitter.com/m0peec6DVm
konatom
T Economou 0
As long as we're pushing the boundaries of theories.. here's another thought. Reports have said a number of times that the general location where it's surmised the airplane went down, is "outside the area of radar coverage". If nefarious suspects knew this, the airliner could have been hijacked at that point and flown/landed elsewhere.
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
"A Chinese family successfully rang the mobile phone of a passenger on board Malaysia Airlines plane MH370. The call got connected, but no one picked up.
The Chinese media also reported that a man successfully made a call to the mobile phone of his elder brother, who is a MH370 passenger. He made a total of three calls, but no one answered. The man, who spoke to reporters at a Malaysia Airlines briefing in Beijing, was not named."
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-family-chinese-passenger-says-mobile-p
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
jrhausman
James Hausman 1
Latest news reports say possible wreckage reported 100 miles south/southwest of Vietnam.
Water depth in Gulf of Thailand averages 45 meters, max depth 80-90 meters.
Close to the same depth as SA111 in Nova Scotia. If they find the wreckage, all the plane will be brought up. Canada recovered 97% of the MD-11.
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
The US Navy have confirmed that the 'suspicious debris' is not from Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. The search area has been increase from 20 Nautical miles to 50.
rktompsett
Robert Tompsett 0
Looking more like terrorism!
Strange! no flotsum!
Maybe Space Aliens took it!!! "Beam me up to your leader."
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Reorts say the airplane tried to turn back. Why?
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 1
perhaps hijackers want plane to ram something on land?
arnoldd
Dean Arnold 1
I pray it wasn't terrorism !!!
Carioca
Tomer Ariav 1
I prefer a rigorous security check at the airport, as uncomfortably it can be, than to have issues in air.
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 1
It would be nice to think the time discrepancy was just a time zone issue. However Malaysia
Airlines consistently said that the flight left Malayisia at 00:41 and was lost by Subang (Malaysia) at 02:40. All on the same time zone. The distance travelled before being lost from flightradar24 is consistent with a 01:20 time (Malaysian time). If it was 01:20 Vietnam time (02:40 Malaysian time) then the flight should have been a lot further north than to location indicated by flightradar24 at "01:20"
burton159
burton159 1
Just my opinion - I know its been pointed out on earlier posts but I still think that MAS may have got this wrong. Because a)it would've been over land in Vietnam after 2 hours, and b) the same flight on previous days is covered by flightradar24 all the way. I think its more than a coincidence that it disappears just after it changes heading to 40degrees. but anyway I'm not an expert, just an observation.
burton159
burton159 1
I'm certainly no aviation expert, but take a look at the normal course of MH370 on previous days on flightradar24. the flight always heads along 25degrees and then changes track to approx. 35-40degrees. MH370 on 8th March disappears just after it makes that heading change. could it be that something to do with the turn caused a catastrophic failure? eg. mechanical, or pilot error etc...
anhngq
anhngq 1
That I called the turning point once yesterday.
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
"The Guardian’s Tania Branigan has more detail on the movements of the two suspect passengers who boarded the missing plane using stolen passports.

Both passengers used Thai baht to purchase their travel tickets on 6 March, a day before the flight took off from Kuala Lumpur destined for Beijing.
The pair, who booked tickets with consecutive numbers, were due to fly to Beijing, then wait for around 10 hours before flying to Amsterdam. Once they arrived in Amsterdam, one of the passengers was due to travel on to Frankfurt and the other to Copenhagen."

Why an Italian would not return home to Italy and an Austrian to Austria is also intriguing.
andromeda07
andromeda07 1
Also strange why they would fly to Amsterdam from KL via Beijing. 10 hours doesn't leave much time for them to do business in Beijing. Sure, there could be reasons, but the improbabilities regarding this pair keep multiplying.
anhngq
anhngq 0
I just tried booking a trip from KL to FF using the China Southern Airlines website at http://www.csair.com/en/ and it turns out that I cannot fly with Malaysia Airlines. Something does not add up :(.

With Malaysia Airlines, they indeed operate direct flights between KL and FF. How come these mysterious people choosing Beijing as a stop :(.
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 1
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-immigration-officers-under-probe-1.504415?cache=03%25253fpage%25253d0%25253fpage%25253d0%25253fkey%25253dkuala+lumpur%25253fpage%25253d0%253Fkey%253Dkuala+lumpur

Some customs and immigration foul up at Play
anhngq
anhngq 1
Some news

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The two people who traveled on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 under the passports of an Italian and an Austrian citizen appear to have bought their tickets together, CNN reported today.

The tickets were bought from China Southern Airlines in Thai baht at identical prices, according to China's official e-ticket verification system Travelsky.
The ticket numbers are contiguous, which indicates the tickets were issued together. China Southern Airlines sold seven tickets for the code share flight, another media reported yesterday.

The new information adds to the mystery that has enveloped the fate of Flight MH370 which disappeared over Southeast Asia early Saturday on its way to Beijing.
Italy and Austria have said that none of their citizens were on board the plane. And officials say the Italian and Austrian, whose names were on the passenger manifest, both had their passports stolen in Thailand in recent years.

The two tickets booked with China Southern Airlines both start in Kuala Lumpur, flying to Beijing, and then onward to Amsterdam. The Italian passport's ticket continues to Copenhagen, the Austrian's to Frankfurt, CNN said.

But it was unclear how people with stolen passports could have obtained visas to travel to China or passed through immigration control checks in Malaysia.
“As far as we are aware, every one of these people onboard that aircraft had a visa to go to China,” Hugh Dunleavy, director of commercial operations at Malaysia Airlines, told reporters in Beijing.

“Which means those passports were in possession of the Chinese embassy before those visas were issued.”

Authorities say they are investigating the identities of some of those on board who appear to have issues with their passports.
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Source: http://my.news.yahoo.com/passengers-using-stolen-passports-bought-mh370-tickets-together-090636202.html
RedRackham
RedRackham 1
Colonel Hoang Van Phong, pilot on AN26 which is one of two aircraft sent by Vietnamese Air Force to the search, told Tuoi Tre (Youth) newspapers the oil slicks on Sunday have widened around four times from the day earlier.
"They've been spreading fast westwards, which is sign of a very huge amount of oil," Phong was quoted by Tuoi Tre as saying. A Chinese minister is reported as saying that 'some debris' has been found near the oil slicks but it remains 'unclear' whether it belongs to Flight 370.

Looks more and more like a crash rather than a hijacking.
yasex2006
yasex2006 1
I do island hopping in the area ( Cambodian Islands, some of them are south-west of Phu Quoc) and unfortunately the sight of fuel ( even stripes of 2 or 3 km lenght) in the area's waters is a common sight. Whoever lives in the Cambodian coast and owns a boat ( or does island hopping in the area) can confirm this.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
How clear is the water in the search area? Can you see down 40 -60 meters?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Avgas or JP4 would probably evaporate fairly quickly in the warm air, wouldn't it?
mojocoops
mojocoops 1
Several reports are saying there is the possibility the plane attempted to turn back:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iM6qL2-WqhbrwcoviS0ta8zkaNdg?docId=d860a09c-9f22-440b-9c46-21929428579e
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 2
Some questions answered with fact or speculation.

The only question seemingly unanswered with fact or speculation is what happened between 01:20 (MH comms contact lost - also time of last location recorded by internet radar trackers like flightradar24 & flightaware) and 02:40 (last radar contact by Subang air traffic control) - both event times come from Malaysia Airline announcements.

It is germane to note that all day yesterday the Malaysia Airline announcements consistently stated that Subang air traffic control lost radar contact with MH370 at 02:40. However today's Malaysia Airlines announcements mention that "we" last had contact at 01:30.

An hour+ is a lot of additional flight time! Where did MH370 go? In that time it could almost have reached the southern Philippines.

Stolen passports, no crash debris....... This is continuing to look more and more like a "hijacking".........

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiN32qFCEAAsBqH.jpg#twimg
jlee11435
James Lee 0
Did the 9M-MRO landed in Tawi-tawi (RPMN) that's the southern most airport in the Philippines that I know? The runway has been upgraded long enough to land a Airbus 300. I'm just speculating, too. We landed in Zamboanga City airport before enroute to Bandar Seri Begawan but Tawi-tawi wasn't long enough to land at least a 737 yet.

Stolen passports, no crash debris? How come Flightware don't show flight path of 9M-MRO where it ended. Does flightware rely on the aircraft's transponder?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 0
Lines of the time zone in Southeast Asia aren't relatively straight as here in US. There is a zigzag in the line between Malaysia and Vietnam, so the difference might just be due to the local time zones used. 1:30 AM in Vietnam is 2:30 AM in Malaysia. I don't know. http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz014.php
sootchucker
soot chucker -3
what if they dumped fuel simulating an impact with water to divert everyones attention from something much larger? could this explain lack of debris? a missing 777, along with 227 souls is not a good scenario for anyone. could the plane have even flown somewhere... undetected? perhaps no signals that we know of from the plane could mean they weren't ever activated in the first place.

many missing pieces to this puzzle... very curious to see how this plays out.
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
This is just more wild speculation.

There are multiple military radar installations in the region that would have been able to get a "skin paint" off of an airplane as large as a B777. It couldn't just "hide".

Let's stick to facts, not suppositions.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
As for it being diverted, it seems to me that you would need at least a 5000' paved runway to land a 777 on without "breaking" it. Wouldn't you? They aren't puddle jumpers. I would suspect that there aren't that many runways in that area where a landing wouldn't be noticed and tracked.
sootchucker
soot chucker 1
never said this was a fact. this is a discussion. no one really knows anything for sure other than this plane is missing, and this is a terrible incident.
Falconus
Falconus 1
This kind of speculation really does not help anything, and if the news media gets hold of it, it could actually be harmful as authorities would have to tie up resources to track down the source of the reports, and families would get a really wrong idea. There is zero reason to think that somebody snuck off with a 777 en route on a scheduled flight and hid it somewhere.
sootchucker
soot chucker 1
assuming this airplane has been hijacked..
sram1008
sunny ram 0
there is one possibility though - the plane has been hijacked. The reports of landing in Nanming, stolen passports, another 2 passengers under scrutiny, the actual last official contact was 1:30am although they now claim it was 2:40am. No debris, no eyewitnes for any explosion or for crashing into sea, going off its course-path early in its flight.
yasex2006
yasex2006 4
I live in the area where they are searching for the missing plane. I am in possess of the nautical charts with all batimetrics , and the average depth of the waters around To Chau ( Hon Tho Chau) island is 24 meters. This considered, even a Piper's submerged wreckage could be visible from an Search and Rescue plane or chopper flying not over 10,000 ft. A fuselage of a 777 is wide and well visible is such waters. This excludes , in my opinion, an emergency sea-landing , as the wreckage , I repeat, should be well visible. What about the "black boxes"? They should emit a signal. Why this signal has not yet been received by satellites or by the rescue ships and airplanes?
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 2
Fascinating and appreciated coming from a local (to that area). I noticed the depths in that region and given the diversity of the nations in that area I wonder how many high tech submarines lie submerged and able to target the ping?
yr2012
matt jensen 2
24m is too shallow for most boomers.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 2
Good point. They will find the ping! If not by Sonar... why not by satellite? They have found ancient ruins via satelite. Why not the sea? The tech is there.