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A group of 12 year olds have come up with a cost effective way to help prevent bird strikes

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SALT LAKE CITY — A group of four Utah tweens has been nationally recognized for inventing a device to scare away birds from planes. (www.ksl.com) Ещё...

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soolish
scott sewell 14
I guess I am no longer stunned by the injection of politics and irrelevant opinions into the most mundane of topics. Folks, these kids did something cool. They tackled a real world problem and came up with a solution. They and their teacher should be lauded for working for safer aviation in the public interest. This is actually what makes America great. It has nothing to do with PETA, cynical and dismissive opinions that the invention is bunk or cockamamie "better" ideas. It's about THE KIDS and their effort not about you and your verbal gas and hot air. Grow up, people, or at least think before you press "Post".
gceccari
gerry ceccarini 6
Well said Scott. I couldn't agree more. I think it has to do with "imagination". Some people don't have any anymore. Encourage and promote it. That's where great things are born.
mafischer50
Margaret Fischer 4
RECOR10
RECOR10 1
Scott - I agree. That said, PETA did end the "dogs chasing birds from the airport". If I recall it was an "unfair advantage for trained dogs" or some such shit. Then, as I said the excuse was 911 and credentials to be on airport property (a property most of us dog owners were on all the time anyway as we were/are also owners and or aviators).

Now, as for this scare crow...that is great and all. But not every kid is a "winner" and this simply is not a "winning" idea. I suppose they do deserve trophies though. I mean, what kid with a pulse does not deserve a trophy? :-)
mafischer50
Margaret Fischer 5
Huge difference between a trophy for participating and these kids Recor10. They used critical thinking skills and teamwork to tackle a problem, please be positive.
RECOR10
RECOR10 0
I would - had they only tackled a problem....
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 11
the words used in the article as a description, state the device is "tough,cheap and mobile"..i think its great these kids are attempting to find some kind of solution to an ongoing problem..even if you think its ridiculous or will not work for whatever reason (after all, birds were here long before airplanes!)at least give them credit for wanting to do something ..more adults should have that attitude..
annellandfrank
John Taylor 3
This is a common problem the USAF has been dealing with forever. We found that nothing works 100%. But....making the airport and immediate vicinity habitat unfriendly helped! How? We tried a number methods; and most failed. One way that seemed to work was to simply deny them food by eliminating any 'refuse piles nearby. We also allowed selected, and well trained, hunters on the Base to bird-shoot. We also had some luck with allowing local Falconeers (this was in the U.K.) to hunt on Base with their trained Falcons. But in the end it's a problem still seeking a solution! I once took a large buzzard hit in the intake of my F-4; and it took out the engine! We also had a guy that took a hit directly on the cockpit canopy and the bird ended up inside causing near blindness and severe injury. Of course no one can forget Capt Sullenberger and his landing in the Potomac.
VMGR352
Robert Jennings 3
The folks at FRA have a pretty effective method.

Regardless, birds are smart - at least the surviving relatives of the pigeons hanging around my solar panels that I zap with .177s. Now, they scatter whenever they spot me just eyeballing 'em!
paul8626
Paul Smith 3
Well for me similar things like that random motion tube keeps me away from car lots and furniture stores.
soolish
scott sewell 1
Funny. And I agree. Apparently so do the birds.
RexBentley
Rex Bentley 5
Been done before, birds get used to it and ignore it.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 4
Arrogance is alive and well.

When and why did we, as supposed adults, begin acting like school children - calling insulting names about something we may not like. Why can't we simply state a fact, rather than adding on a demeaning comment...for instance: "PETA IS in fact the idiots who bitched about the dogs. Pesky facts. They are simply idiots." Postings like that would be far more palatable and mature by a comment such as: PETA is responsible for banning the use of the dogs.

Come on people - have some self respect and post like mature adults.
RECOR10
RECOR10 0
Um, PETA are a bunch of moronic idiots who need to cope with the fact that Homo-sapiens have the same type of mandible and teeth as every other flesh eating mammal (but for the fangs that have been "bred out" of us).
herdy34
Jon Herd -1
But it was true. They re effing liars as well.
ArthurNetteler
Arthur Netteler 2
mafischer50
Margaret Fischer 2
This inspires me as an educator!!! Kudos to these students and their coaches.
jkcooney
Joseph Cooney 3
Ingenuity, Ingenuity, Ingenuity. Leave to a group of curious 12 year olds to find a solution to the problem without the need for environmental impact studies or government interference. CONGRESS TAKE NOTE. Get out of the way so THE PEOPLE can advance and improve our lives.
bruce1369
Bruce Belligan 1
I'll do you one better, make the very faint sound of a snake hissing... or incorporate that option into their device.
ah6oy
Jim DeTour 1
There are sensitive radars used to track insect migrations. Seeing the twin engine long haul over water is like replacing a spare tire with run flat tires for fuel savings might have installed a less is best attitude. Going green adding bird migration flocks might overload the industries and workers senses. All sarcastic but eh to close to reality. Well at least until radar sales projections with lobbyist to secure a manufacturers in an FAA required equipment manufacturing market. Motivate the industry and they will motivate the masses.
Rodster001
Rod Collen 1
wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man
alan75035
alan75035 1
bruce1369
Bruce Belligan 2
topgunnh
Peter McGrath 1
Kids do it smarter, cheaper, and quicker because they're not afraid to use their imagination and thirst for knowledge. Great job!

Now, the reality when adults get involved. The first "commercial" use of this product will take 1 year to build, go through 2 years of FAA approval's, a year of local zoning, PETA, Audobon, and other meetings/votes, etc, and then cost $20,000/unit to produce.
MrTommy
MrTommy 1
The Hudson River 'diversion' was caused by birds pretty high up, and probably not nesting near the river. This is all great "feel good" stuff for the kids, but I really don't think this is going to solve the problem.
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 5
YES A SIMILAR THING HAS BEEN "DONE AND TRIED" BEFORE MR TOMMY,BUT AS I SAID, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THESE KIDS CREDIT FOR WANTING TO ACTUALLY WORK ON A PROJECT THEY THINK IS WORTHWHILE, AND DO SOMETHING! HAVING KIDS AND TEENS INVOLVED IN WORK,PROJECTS,SCIENCE,INVENTING OR THE LIKE IS HARDLY JUST "FEEL GOOD " STUFF..THEY ARE THE NEXT GENERATION OF OF INVENTORS,AND YES, AVIATORS!
hortod1
dj horton 3
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 3
sorry..no shouting intended d horton..typed fast and didnt relize I was "capping" it!
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
Thought that might have been the case. You aren't typically a shouter.
toolguy105
toolguy105 1
The Hudson river "diversion" as you call it was a 1 in a 1,000,000 or more event. Most bird strikes occur close to land during landing or take off as the birds are coming into land or they themselves are coming into land. They cross the flight path or the runway get ingested into the engine at the worst possible time If this device can help reduce these events then these children have done very well. Someone will upscale it to do a larger area I'm sure.
RECOR10
RECOR10 -2
Why do you hate children? ;-)
MrTommy
MrTommy 2
aghume
Alan Hume 1
I like the idea of painting raptors' heads on the nose of aircraft. That should scare the daylights out of any birds that get too close.
ronash13
Ron Nash 0
I can't see anything really "inventive" about these kids invention, they've merely scaled down a popular attention-getting advertising device.
Birds will soon get used to them, birds are highly intelligent and adaptive.
What is needed to deter birds is something that seriously affects their favorite food availability, or the toxicity of that food type.
I can recall a story from many years ago, about farmers trying to deter flocks of crows from eating nut crops.
The farmers tried everything - trapping, shooting, loud noise-making machines, raptors - real and fake ones - and still the crows turned up in droves and ate the nuts.
However, as soon as the farmers laid out some poisoned nuts and a few crows died - a warning cry went through the crow flock, and all the crows departed the orchard, and never touched the nuts again for weeks afterwards.
lynwilliams
lyn williams 4
kids doing anything other than playing some electronic game is the invention here. Whoever got them to move away from the video display long enough to do anything else is to be commended.
bjohnson09
Bryce Johnson 1
My senior research project in college was studying the effects of a chemical called methyl anthranilate on a supply of bird food. Previous studies have shown that it causes nausea by effecting the sensory organs of the birds (no actual harm). My results did show that the birds clearly preferred the controlled food (no chemical) over the supply of food covered with the chemical. However, I couldn't find an application for it in the real world besides spraying an entire airport and its surroundings.
RECOR10
RECOR10 0
So, you want "drunken" birds flying all willy-nilly around the tarmac? (joke font on)
bjohnson09
Bryce Johnson 3
Well you know...just trying to give the birds a good time. Unfortunately, we also saw a lowered inhibition in male birds resulting them making poor decisions with female birds at least 4 points lower than normal.
RECOR10
RECOR10 1
Makes you wonder if Penguins (who mate for life) might have better lives if they met you....So...a penguin, a polar bear and Bryce walk up to a glacier....
jkcooney
Joseph Cooney 2
Time will tell. How about the lives and inconvenience saved WHILE THE BIRDS are adapting. Are those important improvements????
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Maybe they derived the concept from the used-car tubes; then again, maybe they came up with the idea independently.
And maybe the farmers got the idea from tom Lehrer's "Poisoning the Pigeons in the Park"
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Not being someone in favor of poisoning wildlife, I have to wonder what else may be affected. Deer, squirrels, rabbits, CHILDREN?
Bernie20910
Bernie Behling 1
If your airport has children grazing in the fields around it with the other wildlife, you have bigger problems than just birds.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
The post I was responding to had nothing to do with airports - it was about a farmer.
herdy34
Jon Herd -6
Just put a pctur of Hilary Clinton near the runway. That would scare a lot more than birds. Ahem. Cough cough.
lynwilliams
lyn williams 0
and pelosi on the reciprocal heading. I can see it now...pilots scared into cardiac arrest on approach to KXXX...
JoelRugeno
Joel Rugeno -1
herdy34
Jon Herd -6
Meh. Nothing like being a self important expert in PC, hey.
Bernie20910
Bernie Behling -1
So, let me see if I have this right... In order to solve the problem of bird strikes, they invented something that scares the birds off the ground, where it is unlikely they will get hit and makes them fly around, which makes them more likely to get hit? Did I get that right?
caminham
caminham 4
I think the theory is that if the birds are scared off the ground they won't live there so they're less likely to be flying around the airport.
RECOR10
RECOR10 4
Coming from "corn country"....I have seen dozens of bird nests on scare crows....
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
The idea is the birds will avoid the area altogether. However, I believe they will grow accustomed to them, ignore them, and return to the areas regardless.
bjohnson09
Bryce Johnson 1
Well they certainly aren't going to just sit there on the ground. They are birds after all....
lynwilliams
lyn williams 1
That's what I got from it too.
RECOR10
RECOR10 -3
Airport I used to live very close to (a main cargo-UPS hub) used to let some of us dog owners chase the birds....but, thanks to god damn PETA (or is that PITA?) we had to stop. At some point the airport started to blame 911...after we stopped, the geese moved back in. Stupid.

AND - the birds WILL get used to this scare crow, they will.
jbsimms
James Simms 5
I fully support PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals 😜😁👍
btweston
btweston -7
Um, birds fly, man. It would take a pretty big dog to chase those birds out of Sully's path. That ain't PETA's fault.

And I don't even like PETA.
RECOR10
RECOR10 2
Trust me, a huge flock of geese WILL fly from a couple of hunting dogs...pick from many breeds.

PETA IS in fact the idiots who bitched about the dogs. Pesky facts. They are simply idiots.
RECOR10
RECOR10 -2
Literacy would direct one to the fact that the article was simply not about a flock while in flight, rather, on the ground and going to and fro...notice the examples were NEXT TO RUNWAYS...not at 20 some odd thousand feet.
paultrubits
paul trubits 0
Rent out same of the land to used car dealers. Win-win.
RECOR10
RECOR10 -1
Down in FL we could just open up swamps for gators :-) same difference!
paultrubits
paul trubits 0
waynej007
wayne johnson 0
PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals... Anyway, well done, kids! Need some of those around here.

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