The Transportation Security Administration can now mandate some passengers go through a body scanner even if the travelers ask to opt out and get a full body pat down instead. Mandated screening for some passengers would be "warranted by security considerations in order to safeguard transportation security," the TSA said in a document updating the protocol. The change is coming at a time of heightened concern about aviation security and terror plots against commercial aviation. (www.cnn.com) Ещё...
At this time, I'm less concerned about weapons than explosive materials. Seems to me that trained dogs would be a better solution. Cockpit doors are secured now, and I haven't been on a flight in the last 10 years that hasn't been jam packed.
Not all airports have body scanners so it a lost cause. Going through France, Germany, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, New Zealand standard walk through scanners and wands.
I like the idea of on the spot profiling suggested by rmchambers. Certainly a greater chance that a human could detect unusual behavior than a techno screen.
It is all security theatre. When I fly on the airlines, I just smile and say thanks for the job security, as I am a corporate pilot and the folks I fly around have decided long ago to not put up with the BS. I wish they had more dogs working for the TSA and Customs and less idiots.
Oh c'mon Dan, we are talking about the same government agency aren't we? Just retired from 35 yrs. of doing what you are doing. Been there, done that. Loved it.The continued deterioration of the functionality of the federal govt. is on an epic slide. I gave up expecting they would get better a long time ago. I gave up wishing IT would get better not that long ago, and the next election cycle will determine whether or not I will continue trudging to the voting booth!
Bentwing, we are on the same page. Agree with what you are saying about the next election. After 42 years, 7 military and the rest corporate, I've seen a few changes. Still love it. May do that retirement thing in the future. Stay safe!
It's all security theater. The TSA has caught zero terrorists, they've caught a few people smuggling some weed, they've also caught MANY of their own agents stealing travelers goods and property. Was it not for a federal boondoggle these people would be trying to get $15/hour working at McDonalds.
The chances of another 9/11 are slim, people won't sit still and comply anymore as evidenced by the last two times someone got up in front of the plane. One was dogpiled and wound up dying due to asphyxiation and the other got tuned up and when he became conscious he was ziptied to his seat. There have probably been many more but the point is people will NOT comply with someone who is going to send them all to a fiery grave.
The TSA PRE thing is a joke, people are much better off going through standard metal detectors, and if they hired some actual behavioral specialists who could randomly pick people out and run them through a few questions to judge responses (like El Al does) it would more likely catch anything that needed to be. Going through the rape-scanners which are inherently buggy and can be fooled (look at the kid who made clothing that could conceal metal objects as long as it was held away from the body) so it's not real security it's a show.
I avoid flying commercially unless it's absolutely unavoidable, it's no fun anymore.
Very true. No one will try anything again in the cabin because of what the passenger response will be. If us trustworthy Americans would be allowed our second amendment rights, instead of just the bad guys, all modes of travel would be much safer. Any future attack on commercial jets now, barring missiles, will be through loop-holes or insiders in the checked cargo area.
I agree with you there, but until your 2nd amendment right ceases to exist at the nearest imaginary state boundary line this is not an option that won't wind up with people in jail. Folks that have pistol permits and such have already gone through state and federal background checks and safety classes and such. CWP holders are statistically less likely than sworn law enforcement to commit crimes with firearms. I don't forsee this happening in my lifetime but it's a topic worthy of discussion.
I work for TSA and I can't disclose any specifics but I can say that as of today very little has changed in regard to the opt outs. CNN totally is making it seem like it was a 180 degree change. It is not. It only affects certain people in specific situations.
This 'procedure' is just more of the same 'eye candy' for the uneducated traveler...this has been the case since day one - spending billions of dollars to make the public feel better about how well they are protected....meanwhile the TSA flunks test after test of agents who allow all sorts of people and dangerous items through....because in our "PC" world, they refuse to employ the tactics of the Israelis, that involve profiling and behavioral analysis...
Not sure it will help while you have airports in USA like la guardia who do not segregate incoming passengers from outgoing passengers something not allowed in uk .
I see accounts in the media about TSA security considerations detecting weapons, but does any one know if there has been any proof that they have averted a hijack situation with the confiscations?
I work for TSA and here is a partial email all TSA employees received at the end of December about 2015 being a successful year.
"This year, our frontline workforce screened more than 695 million passengers, 1.5 billion carry-on bags, 450 million checked bags, and 12.9 million airport employees. Our officers prevented 119,000 prohibited items from getting onto airplanes, including 2,500 guns (an average of 6 guns in carry-on bags per day)."
By the way, prohibited items in this case are weapon like items (knives, bats, any kind of item that is on the prohibited list on TSA.GOV site. They are not talking about your over sized liquids, gels and aerosols.
There are new screening procedures that involve certain people who alarm in a certain way in a body scanner. NO ONE at TSA have told me or anyone else that people can no longer opt out from being body scanned. Media is blowing this out of reality.
I don't care whether I get body-scanned, a full pat down, sniffed all over by a rather large dog or had a magic wand waved all over me. It's being done for my safety and those other souls who are on the same plane as me. If it stops anyone who is a member of " The Religion of Peace" or similar ilk from bringing weapons or explosives onto the aircraft, I'm all for it. Rather a few seconds of inconvenience than a 40,000 foot fall, strapped into a seat and no parachute in sight.
@Ethan - The "essential liberty" that you speak of is being a bit dramatic. Do you proclaim the same indignation when a red traffic light restricts your ability to freely travel your route? Is your liberty lost when you must refrain from driving while drunk to protect the innocent? Refuse the body scanner when mandated and "protect" your freedom to walk to your destination as you won't be flying commercial.......
Therein lies the rub. Despite all the constitutionally dubious "security" procedures we all have to endure, I for one have yet to hear of a single instance where some terrorist made it to the airport and was prevented from boarding a plane and thus from doing whatever they were planning, solely by TSA security procedures. What I have heard of is nutjobs walking into airports and opening fire on all the sitting ducks in the security line. Even worse, I hear from time to time about some TSA agent doing things to the traveling public that nobody should ever do, least of all someone who's job is to ensure the safety of the flying public. If the public knew the process actually did some good, and if TSA agents were consistently kept in line by their superiors, it would make all these indignities easier to tolerate
I remember being subjected to these kinds of searches and examination of travel documents in the early 80's and politicians in this country (USA) called it a "shameful" and "unwarranted". The Russians on their side of the East Berlin border called it "preserving state security." Ronnie the Popular got his wish - the Berlin Wall was torn down and moved over here.
What was it Ben Franklin said: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
There is no question why personal aircraft, fractional operators, charters, and bizjets are increasing in droves.
Any captain that outsources their ultimate authority for the safe operation of their aircraft to the joke that is TSA is derelict of duty and I wouldn't fly for any operator that forced me to. When it comes to the safety of any aircraft, profiling is the only procedure proven to work effectively and should not be opposed by anyone that honestly desires safety.
Anytime you make a decision based upon past data you are 'profiling." When you decide which HVAC company you will have service your home AC unit based upon past data - you are profiling. When the decision is based solely on randomness are you NOT profiling. Humans profile themselves all the time: Republican, engineer, nurse, teenager, and so on. All the info on your driver license profiles you. Even when you are dead you have profiled yourself as "no longer living." Profiling is only an obscene word when used in the 2nd or 3rd person and directed at you.
You are confused between profiling and classifying. If you fit a profile, you may very well not be what is being profiled for. If you commit an act of terror, then you are classified as a terrorist.
Wow. You "personal freedom" guys don't get it, do you? When you purchase an airline ticket, you enter into a contract with a private entity, not the government. As a condition of that contract, the airline mandates that the TSA checks be performed (Even though the government has told them they have to do it) before you are allowed to use their service. You agree to those terms when you pay for your ticket. if you want to back out of the deal, you can. Just return the ticket.
You know the terms going in, and knowing those terms you complain about having to follow the rules. That's like kicking a field goal and then complaining that it's only worth 3 points. Don't like it? Score a touchdown or punt or go for it on 4th down.
Personally, I don't enjoy the hassles and the indignity. But you know what? I knew it was coming. If I wasn't willing to put up with it, I would have found a different way to travel. I have nothing to worry about from the TSA because I don't do bad things. I submit because I want to ride on an airplane. I could travel by car, bus, train, boat, whatever, and avoid the TSA if I thought the scans and searches were too invasive. I don't, because I don't.
And don't get me started on Jim Bob and his .45 Auto in a confined space full of tired, sweaty, irritable, drunk people. Jim Bob ties one on in coach and the next thing you know we're headed for an emergency landing at KBFE because the idiot shot out a window.
Considering I have recently been Paris, Frankfurt, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand and none of them had a body scanner. Just the standard items in the tray and baggage through x-ray, walk through detector wand and only one pat down in Fankfurt because German could not read a doctors note.
So it seems the US TSA is heavily spending tax dollars and other countries are doing whats actually necessary
You miss the point. By a wide margin. The government, not a private entity, via tsa is conducting the searches
BTW, that old canard " I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to worry about..." Is the constant refrain of aquiesence made by a subject. (And yes, you did say that in effect).
No, I just happen to be a white American with red hair that believes the U.S. Constitution applies to EVERYBODY equally in this country. That's as American as an individual can be.
Idiots the problem... on the 11th September Zionist Jews brought down the twin towers. Then the money war machine rolled on blaming a bunch of AlQuade misfits (Don't confuse with ISIS)that did not have the resources to undertake the attack.
Making war machines is profitable, creating anti terrorist airport security is big business. Trace the ownership of the manufacturing and and company ownership and the company that scrapped the twin towers remains before any inquiry. All Bush associates and Zionist Kews. So theres you big tax bills and airport expenses. Wait for the down votes on this one!!!!!
I have frequented and largely enjoyed this site and member posts for some time now--the level of discourse is intelligent and respectful. Maybe because I am not a pilot or otherwise in the industry, I have not yet been compelled to post any replies, but yours, sir, demands one. For you to perpetuate an outrageous claim of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 attacks is a disgraceful expression of the most base form of antisemitism there is. And the claim that it was all a conspiracy to create the dreadful security measures we now have in place for financial gain is exactly the kind of muddle-headed paranoia that needs to be shouted down, and I am doing it. On Christmas day no less.
Read carefully Zionist Jews. The average Jewish person/community is not to blame and are normal hard working people. If you wish to read and critically analyse political aspects, aviation, aircraft accident analysis and scientific community work you will find the inescapable truth. Read my posts carefully before spouting rubbish about antisemitism. If you read my posts you will find I have no racist bone in me, quite often defending other religious posts. If you want to hide behind the facts and really think Bin Laden and his 10 henchmen has the resources and money to bring down the building structure of the twin towers fair enough. The result was the TSA and the high cost anti terrorist machinery which is a high cost to the taxpayer.
Zionist Jews did all the damage and every affected country in the world conspired to blame nut jobs so they could sell body scanners? What you're smoking isn't legal, even in Colorado. Go back to your Jew hating conspiracy websites where your bigoted ignorance is embraced.
Zionist not the Jewish people. Shit are all of you living in a bubble. Its a faction not the average Jewish person. Shit are all of you living in a bubble read carefully before pushing your ignorance and giving me shit.
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