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Southwest plane goes off runway after landing in Nashville

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A Southwest Airplane went off the runway at the Nashville International Airport after landing Tuesday evening. (wkrn.com) Ещё...

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chrisrobey
CHRIS ROBEY 5
The thing that strikes me is that only three flight attendants needed to try to manage the evacuation of 133 Passengers. I recall that in the Boeing 727 we carried at least five Cabin Crew for a similar number of Pax. Underlines the need for the passengers to listen VERY carefully to the safety briefings, including location of their nearest exit. At least this evac seems to have worked out pretty well...
bbabis
Bill Babis 4
What they don't take into consideration for the timed evac during certification is all the idiots opening every overhead bin to sort through and retrieve luggage that then injures them or others as it is slung aroud. If I were ever in an evac, most of the injuries would be to people between me and the nearest exit that reach for the overhead!
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
FAA rules only require ONE F/A for every 50 passenger seats installed on the airplane. IF you had 5 Cabin Crew on a B-727? That must have been years ago when airlines focused on service, and not the bare minimums.

AS TO the EVAC? Why?, I must ask. It is well-known that there is always a chance of injury to passengers in an EVAC....and, absent any immediate threat (smoke, fire ETC) then there is no need. This was so benign ... makes me wonder if the Cabin Crew initiated the EVAC without CockPit authority. (Details will come out in the Official Report). In addition? If Cockpit ordered EVAC? This too seems unnecessary.
crpeterson14
Cord Peterson 2
It's not one for every 50. Anything over 51 requires 2 Also that's why all 75 seat RJ's have 2. It also varies by airplane type according to what FAA has set for minimum safe crew. A 300 seat 777 could never go with 6. They would be spread too thin and not one for every exit.
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
I think you just MADE my "point". It is the number of SEATS that dictates number of F/As, per regulation. Rules change, based on configuration and number of exits, especially on larger jets.

A small observation? YEARS ago at my airline our B-727s had 151 seats.....ONE row was removed, and suddenly? TaDa!!! Instead of 4 legally required Cabin Crew? Only THREE legally needed. The "row" of seats removed?? TWO....so from 151 (requires FOUR Cabin Crew, per FAA) down to 149....so "minimum"m Cabin Crew now only 3....for that type and configuration.

As a flight deck crewmember our only concern was how any planned Evac scenario would be changed. BUT, for Cabin Crew AND their cut-backs? Enormous.....
scottnearsmf
Scott Somer -1
The evac was needed because the plane could not get to the gate under its own power and could not with a tug either based on the photos of the plane's nose being in contact with the grass.
scott8733
scott8733 8
"This kind of thing happens all the time, what's the big deal?"

-Akbar Al Baker, Qatar CEO
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 1
the "big deaL" is pilot training umber one, possible injury to passengers number two and the expense of repairing an aircraft number three..yes, this does happen periodically and usually it is due to slippery runway conditions or a blown out tire..this incident does not seem to have those factors inviolved..
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
Mary Susan Watkins, did you miss the squawk from which this quote was taken? He was referring to the Qatar flight from MIA that took out the approach lights on takeoff and didn't notice.
JimG4170L
Jim Goldfuss 2
Saw a few comments about "speed" so posted again...

Looking at video, unless BNA has ramp workers with super-human speed, and the anti-collision lights on the other aircraft speed up while operating at Nashville, the video feed is faster than 1:1. The aircraft was not taxiing as fast as the video implies.

Don't get me wrong, unless there was a taxi line painted directly into the grass, or there was a failure of the hydraulic system that feeds the nosewheel steering, all eyes will be on the captain (since he is only one who can drive on the ground), but lets consider some contributing factors (though, again, not negating responsibility of flight crew)

The area plane was in appears to be a black hole, yet ramp is well lit. I did not see any centerline lights on taxiway to assist in nighttime taxiing (which can be a challenge at some airports). Plane was making right turn (captains view out right window would be limited) and in all probability, once the captain initiated right turn, he probably focused more to his left, and the gate he was going to. I am making an assumption here, but the speed at which the first people went out, leads me to believe that they were the gate personnel waiting for him to pull in, and watched the whole thing. In the right turn, the blue lights can make the appearance of a taxiway if you're not paying attention (they should have been) and the captain would not have noticed in the dark, until the taxi light on the nosewheel illuminated the grass (nose would have to swing around a little), but if the captain had shifted his attention to the gate, may not have noticed. First Officer may have been completing flows and/or scanning gate area as well.

The only true and factual answer will come out when the investigation is done, not a moment before. I can only speak from my experience, and that does not make it right, true, or a determination of what happened here.
RubenVillanueva
Ruben Villanueva 4
No big deal!, aircraft landed, possibly blew a tire/tires, and whilst taxiing to the gate went off the taxiway. Yes, a few injured pax requiring minimum medical attention. Where did a/c go off the rwy? Misleading headline, revenue must very low at that newspaper!
spatr
spatr 2
They actually did this on the T4 taxiway leading into the ramp and ended up in a ditch.
RubenVillanueva
Ruben Villanueva 1
Sparkie624, Is this security video available online? Would appreciate if you can share the link.
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 1
chris..the 727 had both a first class area and a coach area and in "the good old days" first and coach flight attendants stayed in their area behind the"curtain" on a 727..wn has only one class of service on the 737 and 5 flight attendants would be tripping over one another serving,etcetera..they seat one f/a at the front and 2 at the rear of the aircraft and they do follow faa reulations..as far as an evacuation,3 f/a's are sufficient to get people out of the exits if they follow initial instructions..from the pictures it is hard to tell why this plane skidded as he had already landed and was taxiing..the weather seemed good and the runway looked dry..maybe the brakes pulled too far one direction?? i dont know..there will be further investigation...
chrisrobey
CHRIS ROBEY 1
I totally agree Tim, and yes, it was many years ago operating with the B722 stretch. Heck, we even had maybe six rows of First class (four abreast) in the forward cabin. No Business class in those days! 24F/126Y config.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I am trying to picture how they pulled this off... He was taxing the plane, Verier off the taxi way and then drove over an embankment! Only thing I can thing us that he was trying to make up some time because of previous delays... That is what caused there 2 most recent incidents in LGA and that is fact off of the CVR.
hardworker7
hardworker7 1
After watching the video, does it seem taxi speed coming into the gate area was a bit brisk? May be a contributor along w/obviously not following the taxi-line.
JimG4170L
Jim Goldfuss 2
Looking at video, unless BNA has ramp workers with super-human speed, and the anti-collision lights on the other aircraft speed up while operating at Nashville, the video feed is faster than 1:1. The aircraft was not taxiing as fast as the video implies.

Don't get me wrong, unless there was a taxi line painted directly into the grass, or there was a failure of the hydraulic system that feeds the nosewheel steering, all eyes will be on the captain (since he is only one who can drive on the ground), but lets consider some contributing factors (though, again, not negating responsibility of flight crew)

The area plane was in appears to be a black hole, yet ramp is well lit. I did not see any centerline lights on taxiway to assist in nighttime taxiing (which can be a challenge at some airports). Plane was making right turn (captains view out right window would be limited) and in all probability, once the captain initiated right turn, he probably focused more to his left, and the gate he was going to. I am making an assumption here, but the speed at which the first people went out, leads me to believe that they were the gate personnel waiting for him to pull in, and watched the whole thing. In the right turn, the blue lights can make the appearance of a taxiway if you're not paying attention (they should have been) and the captain would not have noticed in the dark, until the taxi light on the nosewheel illuminated the grass (nose would have to swing around a little), but if the captain had shifted his attention to the gate, may not have noticed.

The only true and factual answer will come out when the investigation is done, not a moment before. I can only speak from my experience, and that does not make it right, true, or a determination of what happened here.
cconfa
Charles Conerity 2
Exactly. Look at the clock in the upper right. It's running at about 2:1 or 3:1.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
From watching the security video, he was hauling you know what.... You don't just taxi off a taxiway and then into a ditch without a bit of extra speed... I would love to hear the captains explanation of that!!!
allench1
allench1 4
In memory of preacher 1 "Wayne Bookout": well looks like that their capt. might have been in too much of a hurry to get to his gate."May he rest in peace but not forgotten"
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Those would have been his words... May he rest in peace and will never be forgotten.
allench1
allench1 1
Tks sparkie624 we both met him and found a very warm simple intelligence man.
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
Maybe he has dual membership in ALPA and NASCAR
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
He was practicing for his Trial run for Daytona! Which reminds me from the statement above... Preacher Really Loved Nascar!
COYOTEHUNTER
COYOTEHUNTER 1
No amount of pressure to "get it to the gate" should make anyone try that turn at the speed he or she appeared to be going.

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rtjorgenson
Ryan Jorgenson 9
You do? What about the other recent flights that have veered off the runway?
American 786
US Airways 1702
United 3796
Delta 1086
United 4480
United 497
American 296
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 4
You should consider the way media sensationalizes. The headline, for instance? "Southwest goes off runway...". Well, watch the actual news-clip. LISTEN to the reporters' words. Hmmmm.....seems the jet was "taxiing" when this happened. MY point is: Local news reporters without any aviation knowledge usually cannot tell the difference between a runway and taxiway, NOR do they have all of the facts (they deal with hear-say) when they decide to "breathlessly report" on something, in order to gain ratings on a slow day.
joelwiley
joel wiley 3
Well, at least they didn't mention "Tarmac"
sparkie624
sparkie624 3
They probably do not know the difference. Media only reports the news, nothing in the rules says they need or do know what they are talking about.

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allench1
allench1 1
For myself and Preacher1 "Wayne" lol.
margeauxk
Margeaux K -1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

8 Hurt After Plane Rolls Off Nashville Runway

Officials say a plane has rolled off a runway at Nashville International Airport, injuring eight people.

http://www.newser.com/story/217604/8-hurt-after-plane-rolls-off-nashville-runway.html

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