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MISSING MH370: Radar data suggests plane flown deliberately toward Andaman

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KUALA LUMPUR: Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands....still a stretch but hopefully a chance for passenger survival. (www.nst.com.my) Ещё...

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joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I plotted the waypoints on skyvector.com plus the a/c last known position. The waypoints are
IGARI VAMPI GIVAL IGREX

To get the the Middle Easy in that direction would require overflying India. That doesn't sound like a good idea.
Loooking at flying South of India, I found a course along jetway P756, intersecting it at NISOK.
At 500 mph, 4 1/2 hours would take it just South of the tip of India. Would that leave enough fuel to reach somewhere in the MidEast? If not, perhaps we should discount finding it at Imam Khomeini Int'l Airport in Tehran.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
"the Boeing 777 family, has a range of 5,240 nautical miles (9,700 kilometres), according to the Boeing website. Its typical cruising speed at 35,000 feet is Mach 0.84." It is very possible the plane flew longer than 4-5 hours. They may have figured out how to kill the Boeing/RR telemetering of engine data or landed somewhere and disabled it and flew longer...much longer.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
The Washington Post is now report the plane flew for 7 hours (probably at least 3500 miles). Hard to believe after flying that long it ended up in the Ocean.

Additionally the reported wild altitude changes early on in the Flight were probably maneuvers to incapacitate the cabin crew and any passengers not belted into their seats...probably inflicted severe injuries. It would surprise me to hear the pax had their O2 shut off to take them out of the equation as nearly 300 frightened people would be difficult to control for a long period.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
That newer potential Flight length may open up an whole new world of options. There's Yemen with terroristic aims. Somalia with piracy. And Iran with it's need for a long-range clandestine delivery device.

The terrorists and the Iranians would be the most capable of pilling it off. The terrorists as non-state actors would have the least to lose. The Iranians have much to lose as they are on a path to give up the path to nukes in exchange for lifting of sanctions. But a rogue element of their covert operatives might take up this challenge.

But I'd figure the best bet would be in terrorism and the plane would be in Yemen somewhere.

But it's hard to ignore that Iranians were snuck onto this plane with falsified travel documents (that had been previously stolen). Their cover story is that they were joining family in Europe. That their family traveled to Europe via a similar illegal manner, and were waiting for them, doesn't discount the possibility that they were covert operatives.

Who knows what happened to this plane and its' occupants. But hope we find out soon, so we can out these wild theories to rest.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
The logistics involved with having a clandestine parking spot ready would argue against a terrorist group absent the support of a nation/state. I think there would be too many resources watching the activities in Somalia to expect to place it there undetected. The Irani travelers is circumstantial, but Irani culture has a history of long term, even generation-spanning planning.

As I've posted elsewhere, there is a lot not being said. I suppose it is possible that some government(s) are in contact with the perpetrators and are keeping a lid on it for unknown reasons. An Entebbe style raid perhaps?
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Both Somalia and Yemen have vast tracts of territory controlled by thugs, whether they be of the pirate or terrorist variety. They could easily take control of any large hangar or warehouse in their territory or build a camouflage cover to hide a 777.

A 777 is big but its' dimensions are known. Take minimal planning to arrange for an existing space inside of a large enough empty or unused building in your territory. It just needs to be close enough to a runway that is long enough to land the plane.

All of these countries are off the Indian Ocean, so the plane can be brought in directly without overflying other countries' territory or airspace.

Remember this would've all happened BEFORE Malaysia announced that one of their planes was missing. Even though the Vietnamese informed that that active radar contact was lost just after 1am, and their own military lost passive radar contact of the plane after 2am, the announcement didn't come until the following morning AFTER the plane had not arrived at Beijing without explanation.

The opportunity to warn the world that there was a plane lost full of passengers with its' transponders off was allowed to pass with inaction.

It seems that the Malaysians did not scramble any fighters to intercept or even inspect the unknown bogey during a known security crisis (a missing passenger airliner with 239 souls aboard qualifies as an emergency in my thinking), but they also deprived the rest of the world the opportunity to look for the missing plane while it was still aloft.

Having the world's militaries looking for the plane while it was flying, could've led to a very different outcome.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
I pulled out an old fashioned old school globe a few days ago, and used the two-finger compass method to come to essentially the same conclusions. Thanks for giving us the official technical explanation.
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
That works, and it's even a digital calculation. LOL
herbs78
Marvin Segel 1
What about any tracking data from US AFB at Diego Garcia in the middle of the
Indian Ocean??
ToddBaldwin3
ToddBaldwin3 1
That would be a Navy base, and it's radars are limited by the horizon.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The Malaysians should have made notification immediately to others who might've been able to help find and track the plane. The Chinese and Indians come to mind immediately based on geographic proximity. The Americans would be another obvious notification.

AWACS planes flying down from the Middle East and Central Asia (Afghanistan area) followed by refueling tankers could've provided good radar coverage in middle of the ocean to insure that the plane wouldn't get past those unmonitored air corridors to safe haven without being found and tracked. No unknown bogeys wouldn't have passed without getting a look see.

But the Malaysians dropped the ball, and made sure no one else had a chance either.

How sick that in the first few hours some were excited by how forthcoming they perceived the Malaysians to be from the mere release of a passenger manifest soon after announcing the missing plane. This, despite the announcement coming so long after them having been informed that the plane was lost from radar (soon after departure).
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
Since the Malaysian government owns the airline they can be expected to be slow to release any information that would make it look like is was their fault.

Additionally they did not want the US involved because they probably feared the US would expose information making them look bad verses trying to make it look like or least create uncertainty that there could have been a problem with the "Boeing" plane.

It was not until the weight of evidence from the West was such that the Malaysian government began to talk about the possibility the plane could have been diverted from within the aircraft. The foot dragging by the Malaysian government in not letting more sophisticated forces analyze their primary data and there lack of reaction when the plane's transponder went off amounts to criminal negligence at best.

As punishment to them for laxity and as warning to other countries the Malaysian Airline's landing rights around the world should be suspended indefinitely.

Currents reports indicate the plane could have made to Pakistan...very likely, however it may have just been refueled there and taken to Iran or near by there to be refitted with some of their newly created nuclear technology. Or the Taliban may have gotten their hands on a Pakistani nuclear device which has been loaded on the plane.

The West, Israel and the US are going to have put their air defense systems on high alert for all in bound non domestic air traffic. Any heavy aircraft leaving Mideast air space needs to be intercepted and check out to see if is a Boeing 777.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Another possible reason for the delay by the Malaysian government might be that they were in the plot from the planning stages. That also fits the data.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
In over a week this a/c could have been moved several times if the SAT com antenna had been disabled....if could even be in the US or Canada or in South America.
bbabis
bbabis 1
I agree and I've said before, this aircraft or its wreckage needs to be found before many governments can rest easy. Once landed all automatic communication systems can be disabled and even the orange boxes removed. Physically this aircraft will always be a 777 but electronically it can be made to look like anything. If not at the bottom of the ocean, the longer this goes on, the more places in the world this aircraft could be.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
I don't think that this plane would ever fly again without the satellites sucking up everything it wants to communicate. There are numerous parties willing to line up for the previledge to pay for the communications. The Maylasians might find the small investment now worth it. If not whoever I underwriting their insurance would. Plus a whole list of intelligence/ security agencies. Then the myriad of journalist organizations wanting to het a scoop.

The plane's communication would not at this late date be ignored. Those communications would be very important and very valuable.
jrhausman
James Hausman 1
Definitely not Diego Garcia. There are 16 B-52 on the ramp and a fighter group based there. Plane probably in Iran now.
bravowren
bravowren 1
It looks like the only communication system that was NOT disabled after the A/C lost contact was the Boeing Airplane Health Management System. My understanding is that this system is independent of ACARS, and it uploads data to Boeing and engine/avionics manufacturers for maintenance/analytic purposes. My understanding is also that this data" is uploaded once every hour.
Looks like these 3 or 4 "pings" is what all the new conjecture is based on.
bravowren
bravowren 1
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/aviationservices/brochures/IS_AHM_CustAlert.pdf
vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 1
Regardless of the fate of the plane, the passengers are no more.....
But seriously why take 777? For an airliner it's top notch, for a delivery mode for a bomb, it's not exactly ideal, and easy to detect and intercept. I know we all looking for answers here, but rules of logic still apply
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
The PAX may have succumbed quickly after the plane was hijacked. All those wild altitude variations probably injured some and they may have been O2 deprived as well.

This plane was taken for a covert purpose such as a 9/11 type of event...after all you could not sell it own EBAY.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
The NY Post & Reuters articles indicates MH370 was using well known way points for airline travel to the Middle East and Europe. This would indicate that the aircraft was being deliberately diverted. Anyone who would take that action would have also know the plane's range and where it could get to before running out of fuel. If(?) the plane crashed in the Indian Ocean if would likely be as a result of a fight for control of the aircraft.

Very likely this plane is setting in the Middle East being rigged as a delivery instrument for an ultra high load explosive device either an atomic bomb or a "dirty" nuclear bomb complete with hostage civilians.
jrhausman
James Hausman 2
If it has been stolen, to be used later in a plot, I doubt they would leave 225+ witnesses.
kdurbin
Kris Durbin 1
If the wildest scenario is true, and the plane was hijacked to be taken to a remote location to be prepped for something else bad, then they had to not only get rid of the 255 passengers, but also do so while en route, and disable all of their personal electronics and cell phones before landing. If they did not do this, we would know where they are by now.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
I'm not sure it would be possible to even find all the devices. Chances are someone left one on in a bag turned on and I doubt they can go through every bag in 4 hours. It's slim chance. But then again a 777 full of people to go missing for 7 days is too.

I'm sure they did this, but I never saw a report what they found when they traced the calls to the ringing family members cell phones.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Cell phone jammer would take care of missed ones. 22 cal. to the forehead also disables cell phone use. Alternatively, wait until preselected destination reached, and deal with it after they deplane. If you have a plan to hide the plane, . . . .
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 1
Maybe they do not have them, or are holding them till later on.
Wayne47
Michael Townsley 1
Since there have been no ransom request whoever took the plane likely did not need or want to deal with them or want any witnesses after the fact. If the plane went down in the Indian Ocean is likely because of a fight for control of the aircraft after the passengers were asked to disembark at about 10,000 feet.
jrhausman
James Hausman 1
Emergency Landing Strip for Shuttle?

Does anyone know the location of the abandoned landing strip in the Indian Ocean, that was built as a back up for the Space Shuttle Program?
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
Diego Garcia was the Indian Ocean backup.
linbb
linbb 1
I think that those in the loop well above us are using satellites to check all of those places they just are not saying it. Wherever it is they could already know but due to where its located could be the problem. Until then all we are doing is taking up space printing things.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
That the plane was flying waypoints fir commercial airliners makes the aberrant unidentified passive radar blip less threatening and would explain why an overflight might not get get a scramble in the middle of the night.

Had the plane strayed from known flight corridors than the response might've been different.
mcalberts
Mark Alberts 0
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

MH370 possibly flew northwest on P628

Not sure how reliable this info is as their sources are not identified, but if it turns out to be true this is the most detailed info so far on the unidentified radar return.

http://news.msn.com/world/exclusive-radar-data-suggests-missing-malaysia-plane-deliberately-flown-way-off-course-sources

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