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Cirrus Runs Out of Fuel on Training Flight

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What reportedly happened: A CFI and private pilot departed on an instructional flight with 24 gallons of fuel in both the left and right main fuel tanks. The CFI could not recall which fuel tank was selected at takeoff, however, he stated that the private pilot was switching fuel tanks every 30 minutes during the flight. (www.generalaviationnews.com) Ещё...

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piper45w
Marcos Jimenez 3
Power Loss In Flight
Best Glide – 88 KIAS (87 KIAS 2900lbs)
Mixture FULL RICH
Fuel Selector SWITCH TANKS
Fuel Pump BOOST
Ignition Switch CHECK, BOTH

This should be performed by reflex automaticaly no questions asked within the first seconds after loss of power in the SR-22.
HunterTS4
Toby Sharp 1
you mean right after you wined the clock?
KauaiGolfer
KauaiGolfer 2
Unbelievable that a CFI allowed an airplane to go down without doing the most basic stuff. Fuel pump on, SWITCH TANKS! And why try to crash-land the thing when it has a chute? When this guys time comes and he gets to the pearly gates, Neil Armstong will be standing there to whack him in the head with a rolled-up sectional.
dmanuel
dmanuel 2
I have no experience in the Cirrus, but when I practice engine failure procedure I don't consider 'select alternate air' in my initial EP's. Anyone have any knowledge why the CFI did?
arunhn
Arun Nair 1
I would like to know this as well. Selecting alternate air is not something I have ever done in my engine out training. Would appreciate if one of the seasoned pilots on this forum can shine some light on this procedure...
piper45w
Marcos Jimenez 2
Should the dry induction filter become clogged, or if ice accumulates a pilot controlled
alternate induction air door can be opened, allowing warm unfiltered air to enter the
engine for engine operation to continue. Akin to carb heat in carburetor equipped engines.
6at1
Clive Peterson 2
Not being a pilot, But I would wonder if this CFI needs to be looked at by FAA
gbpack170
Jeremy Duvall 3
I cant figure this out. These accidents happen all the time. There is NO EXCUSE for running out of fuel..NONE!! This CFI should be stripped of his cert. Running out of gas..What a joke...
tedtimmons
tedtimmons 4
Jeremy, you are exhibiting one of the 5 hazardous attitudes, invulnerability. It CAN happen to you and if you think it can't, then that's the first step towards it happening. There is always an excuse. Most accidents are pilot error. We don't intentionally screw up but we must always be on guard because it CAN happen to us.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Think the CFI needs a CFI...
dmanuel
dmanuel 1
Thanks. I was getting it confused with the pitot-static alternate air source. Didn't this take place in August? Seems rather unlikely that snow & ice would have been the prime consideration as an EP.
rking25
Richard King 1
Never flown a Cirrus but never understood switching fuel loads all the time. Someone's bound to forget. KISS principle applies here. I was taught that slipping or skidding the aircraft works just as well.
jimquinndallas
Jim Quinn 1
I was trained in Piper aircraft where there was no "both" position on the fuel valves--you either had 'right', 'left' or 'off' so every thirty minutes or thereabouts while over an airport (if possible) I had to turn fuel boost on, switch tanks, verify, fuel boost off.
cm5299
Chuck Me 1
From the article:
"The left main fuel tank was ruptured and no browning of vegetation was present under the left wing, an indication there was likely no fuel in the tank prior to impact."

Can someone explain what that means?

Thanks!
eichelro
eichelro 3
Go pour some gas on your front yard and check the grass over the next few days. No browning of vegetation means the tank was empty before rupture.
cm5299
Chuck Me 1
USAFcptnShades
USAFcptnShades 1
Unbelievable that this still happens.
jimquinndallas
Jim Quinn 1
I would have thought that these guys would have noticed the aircraft was wing-heavy on the side where the fuel was plentiful vs. the with with low fuel but since I've never flown a Cirrus I'm certainly not sure of this.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Something is not being told here. 16 gallons of fuel remaining in the right tank. How come they didn't go to it? As with several comments here, switching tanks ought to be 2nd nature

And the big question is, WHY DID HE NOT DEPLOY THE CHUTE? Granted that is the only AC out there with a chute, but if he was a CFI and rated on it he should have known about it.
FedExCargoPilot
FedExCargoPilot 1
Should have deployed the parachute. Never flown the cirrus, but 30 gallons for 2 hour flight seems a little extreme for a plane that size, does that sound right to any cirrus pilots?
bighoss81
bighoss81 -1
Should have pulled the chute

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