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Cause released of Air Force Thunderbird crash near Colorado Springs

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The Air Force Thunderbirds were performing their traditional Fly-By at the US Air Force Academy Graduation ceremony, with President Obama giving the keynote. Returning to Peterson Air Force Base (KCOS) one of the planes crashed. The pilot ejected safely and met with the President Obama before he left on Air Force One. (gazette.com) Ещё...

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Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 4
Geez, on the old G-2, we had hard stops and soft stops. Kinda makes you wonder if he was flying the '16 with the throttle rotated all the time? Great show of airmanship in manuevering away from built up area. Heads up thinking. I'll bet he did not learn this from the instructor at "Luke" who ejected with his student, in the pattern, only to watch from the ground as his F16. circled for what seemed an eternity until it crashed in an open field nearby. No disrespect, just anecdotal.
bentwing60
bentwing60 -4
Geez, I'm kinda sad that it missed the guy that will have a Chicago library filled with redacted testimony and over turned E.O.s. I don't even have a doctor anymore. Just anecdotal.
bbabis
bbabis 3
I'm no F-16 driver. Would love to hear from one. It would seem to me that after the engine shut down for the second time when the throttle was pulled back and then restarted when moved forward again, you had identified the problem. Declare an emergency if you want. Climb to a safe altitude and identify min throttle position. Go in and land.
sparkie624
sparkie624 0
Why do they call it a throttle Problem, when in fact the pilot inadvertently shut the engine down 3 times. This should be Pilot Error as the cause.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
My take from reading the whole article was that he should not have been able to without also pressing a lockout to the disengaged position. That lockout was stuck in the unlocked position by debris in the mechanism which should have been detected and removed during maintenance. The way I understand it (I have no personal experience flying this aircraft, so I'm simply repeating what I've been told by others), on approach an acrobatic team like this uses rigid procedures and aircraft settings, both for safety and for uniformity in their flying. Such procedures and settings get drilled into the pilots over hundreds of hours of practice, both simulated and in the air. This pilot followed those procedures to the letter. Unfortunately, it would seem part of those procedures and settings were to reduce throttle to the lockout stop, but the lockout stop was not there because it was stuck, so the pilot went past the normal stop position, not knowing it was stuck, which shut down the engine. Three times he repeated what had been drilled into him and three times the mechanical failure allowed shutting down the engine. You may want to fault him for repeating the same thing over and over again to the same result, but this is part of what military acrobatic flying is, the rigid following of specific procedures, without deviation.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
thanks for the clarification... That makes since.
bbabis
bbabis 1
Just a thought. Taking your explanation literally, a robot would have crashed the plane also, and if a robot had been flying this would have been a 100% maintenance related accident. There must be a reason we put humans in aircraft. $hit happens that robots can't figure out. A pilot has to step forward. If we're just training our pilots to be robots, let's just use robots. You don't have to pay, feed, or put with their personal problems.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 2
Good point, but we should keep in mind that this was not just "any" aircraft, or even just any military aircraft, it was part of a military demonstration team and, as such, the pilot is trained very differently from "regular" training. These teams rely on split second precision movements to do what they do, and reactions that have to be automatic, with no hesitation. So yes, maybe a robot could do this job, but a robot also would have crashed it right into the houses this PILOT deliberately steered away from. I think we will always have a need for skilled and well trained pilots, robots be damned.
bbabis
bbabis 3
Agreed. Very good points Bernie. I just think, that no matter the training level, when malfunctions/emergencies happen, a pilot has to start being a pilot. In 20-20 hindsight I think even Maj. Turner wishes he had given the situation a little more thought. Pilots have brought back aircraft with far worse problems. Granted, not so well trained pilots have crashed planes that had no problems at all. Bottom line is no blood was shed and us tax payers are only out one old and well used F-16.

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