Two Japanese airlines grounded their fleets of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which has been beset by a string of mechanical and other problems, after an All Nippon Airways flight made an emergency landing Wednesday. (www.cnn.com) Ещё...
And somewhere in Hamburg and Toulouse, a small number of EADS/Airbus designers and engineers are feeling slightly vindicated from all of the vilification they've received over the years...
Battery fires = very bad, but of the other items listed - cracked windshields, fuel valve malfunction, brake problem - I have been on flights delayed or cancelled by these problems on many different airliners, many different airlines. As for lithium-ion battery fires - all too common (having taken down 2 747 freighters of which I am aware) and the Chevy Volt scare that made the news. I mean media going zonkers over outer layer glass crazing. I've been on a flight where we had a take-off abort and when we deplaned, they were treating the pilot who had shattered glass from a broken windshield on his lap - a CRJ. Didn't even make the news.
You can't compare other aircraft incidents to this one for the following reasons:
1.) B787s in service are measured in mere dozens, while other aircraft are measured in thousands. A daily CRJ incident among thousands is NOT the same as a daily 787 incident among dozens.
2.) Many aircraft's problems are the result of simple wear and tear from aging parts. The same cannot be said for a brand spanking new bird that should be in its prime.
That said, these kinds of problems are not at all uncommon for NEW releases of aircraft. IIRC the A380 had problems after its debut, all of which were corrected in a timely matter. I see no reason the same will not be for the 787.
They need to send the PR guys that handled the Toyota recall over to Boeing. Has Boeing put out a statement? They seem remarkably quite about all this :)
ANA and JAL are the first delivered to their fleet. LOT, Qatar, Air India, LAN Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines and United Airlines received dream liners later. They also face the same problems in near future. I hope that Boeing will resolve minor hick ups as soon as possible. I wonder if it happened in international flight instead of short Japanese domestic flight? I believe that B787-8 could make a safe landing in somewhere, instead of disaster. Whenever new products coming out of market, there will be always growing pains surface. Airbus A380 VH-QQA had a nightmare in Batam Island, Indonesia. I know for sure Dreamliner will overcome minor growing pains in near future. The good news is nobody got hurt. Let's keep it that way.
It is a totally new, all-electric engine interface design (no engine hydraulic pumps, no air bleed system) that has never been done before. You would think it would have exactly these electrical-related issues.
I honestly can't believe only JAL and ANA are having these problems. UAL had a problem before. I am surprised that there have been no problems with Ethiopian, LAN, Qatar, or LOT Polish's Boeing 787 Dreamliners.
Either two are being overly cautious (and trying to make a better case while talking to their lawyers) or the four other carriers are putting their passengers at risk.
I wonder are all these problem batteries being made by the same subcontractor. If so, this could be a really big problem with no alternate source available. Mickey
Boeing is acting like my kids do. Turn their head stick out their lip and not say a word. Well I make them talk because it’s the right thing to do you can’t hide from you problems or mistakes as it will just make them worse. Boeing needs to learn this… Since this is an aircraft that uses high volt AC power to run most flight controls this needs to be fixed. If it’s the battery suck it up and say they did not work like we planed and put a new type in all of the 787’s and move on. All the other problems I would say is normal for a new model. But if there is any chance of an electrical problem and fire on a plane that is run off electrical motors and servos you get the dam thing fixed not turn you head and try to look the other way. The NTSB says the battery will self-stain fire at very high temps. At FL400 it would not take long to burn up a lot of very important stuff before it could land.
No they can say anything. But what can they say We have a big problem with the 787's and don't know how or wat to fix it. All of that is open records they just dont want to say something that could get the whole fleet of 787's grounded.
Ignorant question: How do you identify the sequence numbering of 787s coming off the line? Is there a pattern with the failures? Common lots of subcontractor parts?
Li Ion battery ? First it was laptops burning, now it's aircraft. Boeing guys need to look at their battery suppliers and their battery charging systems really hard. Good luck, Boeing.
Japan's All Nippon Airways is to ground its entire fleet of 17 Dreamliners, broadcaster NHK reported, after a Boeing 787 made an emergency landing in western Japan, the latest in a series of glitches involving the aircraft. Japan Airlines swiftly followed suit, saying it would suspend all Boeing Co 787 flights scheduled to leave Japan on Wednesday due to safety concerns and ground its fleet of seven aircraft.
Used to be IF IT AINT BOEING IT AINT GOING, now its IF ITS BOEING IT AINT GOING. In their rush to get a leg up on Airbus they delivered a faulty product which is sooo obvious, 2 years delay in production should tell you something. Dreamliner........has the potential to put a lot of pax to sleep all at once.
Burning wiring/batteries and smoke in the cockpit is not typical of newer aircraft and is not a teething problem. This is serious business. FAA has grounded the whole fleet as of 430pm PT.
Neither are uncontrolled engine failures and cracked wing brackets, but the A380 seems to trucking along just fine now. Give it some time, the dreamliner is going to evolve into a fabulous ac.
I hope you are right. I do want to fly 787's. But there have been so many incidents just in past month and the FAA never grounded the A380. My personal opinion was that sub-contracting out so many parts of the 787 was a logistic mistake. I think Boeing should have kept production in house just like previous aircraft. QA is a big issue in such a complex aircraft. How do you maintain high quality QA with so many subs. Just my 2 cents.
One thing to keep in mind about "the FAA never grounding the A380" is that no US carriers operate the A380. There were no A380's for them to ground. In the case of the 787, the authorities of other countries are following the FAA's lead .
ANA Boeing 787 Dreamliner makes emergency landing after smoke in the cabin {Video!!!}
A Boeing 787 Dreamliner made an emergency landing at an airport in western Japan on Wednesday morning. No injuries were reported.
All Nippon Airways says smoke was detected after the plane took off from Yamaguchi-Ube Airport in western Japan at 8:10 AM. It was bound for Tokyo's Haneda Airport, carrying 137 people.
They will get it fixed... not unusual for a new plane to have unanticipated problems... BUT... would hate to see battery/fire problem at 40,000 feet over the Aleutians...
Boeing 787 makes emergency landing smoke in cockpit
TOKYO (Reuters) - A Boeing 787 operated by All Nippon Airways Co made an emergency landing in Takamatsu in western Japan after smoke appeared in the plane's cockpit, but all 137 passengers and crew members were evacuated safely, the Osaka Airport said on Wednesday.
The incident comes on top of a slew of recent problems with Boeing's new Dreamliner aircraft. The sophisticated new plane, the world's first mainly carbon-composite airliner, suffered two fuel leaks, a battery fire, a wiring problem, brake computer glitch and cracked cockpit window last week.
Wednesday's flight bound for Haneda Airport near Tokyo left Yamaguchi Airport in Western Japan shortly after 8 am JST (2300 GMT) but made an emergency landing at
Boeing spokesman Marc Birtel, told Reuters: "We've seen the reports, we're aware of the events and are working with our customer".
ANA Boeing 787 Makes Emergency Landing in Japan, ANA Grounds 787 Fleet
An All Nippon Airways Boeing 787 has made an emergency landing this morning (Wednesday) at Takamatsu Airport, Kagawa Prefecture in western Japan after reports say smoke entered the cockpit. Emergency slides were deployed.
Folks the 787 isn't a Boeing product of the past, it's a consortium of several companies from several countries. Boeing had to do this to sell the airplane. This and greedy unionized workers have ruined this project.......nothing is pure in business anymore!
Boeing is taking a huge, nasty dump on itself. Look for Airbus to start making announcements of large volume orders over the next few weeks. You know they'll want to rub some salt on this wound.
Japanese airlines ground Boeing 787s after emergency landing
All Nippon Airways Co. and Japan Airlines Co. have suspended all Boeing 787 flights. The carriers operate about half of the Dreamliners passenger jets Boeing has delivered to airlines.
Airlines want answers. So does the public. All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines Co., two big, loyal Boeing customers, grounded all of their 787 Dreamliners Wednesday following yet another disturbing problem with the new aircraft.
Japanese airlines suspend Dreamliner flights after emergency landing
(CNN) — Two Japanese airlines grounded their fleets of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which has been beset by a string of mechanical and other problems, after an All Nippon Airways flight made an emergency landing Wednesday.
Japanese airlines suspend Dreamliner flights after emergency landing
Two Japanese airlines grounded their fleets of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which has been beset by a string of mechanical and other problems, after an All Nippon Airways flight made an emergency landing Wednesday.
Japan Airlines has seven of the airplanes and All Nippon Airways normally flies 17. It was not clear how long the JAL and ANA flights would be grounded.
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