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Delta is falling behind top competitors by not mandating vaccines for employees despite Biden’s mandate

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Delta Air Lines hasn't yet required vaccines for employees despite President Biden's mandate for federal contractors. (www.businessinsider.com) Ещё...

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mutrock
Mark Kortum 36
Biden's mandate? He mentioned he was considering it in a speech. There is no law, executive order or action taken by anyone in any government agency.
5daltongang
Brooke Dalton 8
The Biden administration is using the federal contracts awarded to the airlines as justification for making such a demand on airlines.https://hotair.com/karen-townsend/2021/10/02/biden-administration-pressures-airlines-to-mandate-covid-19-vaccines-for-all-employees-n419867
dnorthern
dnorthern 0
srobak
srobak 1
Executive Order 14042 was issued on September 9, 2021 and is directly applicable to all federal contractors.
isababeM
isababe M 4
Executive orders from a occupying illegitimate Administration and President = 0, zilch, nada, nothing.
sherisfm
Fred Sheris 1
Executive orders don't mean squat until the applicable agency writes the rules and regulation. That's why there have not been any lawsuits against the mandates, they are still making them up.Once published, then the lawyers go to work and shoot them full of holes and Uncle Joe's dream world comes crashing down.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
What is your purpose, spreading such misinformation; 'fake news'. Do you think your lies will fool everyone? Perhaps the scheeple. (Hint, if you fell for Mark Kortum's fake news, (or upvoted it) you probably should check for wool sprouting on your back.)

Here is a headline from today: "Biden employer vaccine mandate could be finalized as early as next week". https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-vaccine-mandate-could-be-finalized-early-next-week-n1281423

Or, do you believe that NBC is 'fake news'? What are you trying to tell us? "Don't worry, just be happy, as we enslave you all."
PANATIVE
Anne Bracken 33
Perhaps Delta values their employees’ closely held beliefs. I am pro-vaccine for sure, but find the latest mandates, or the manner with which they are being enforced, troubling.

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emc57ke
Susan Judge 34
How are they falling behind? They just posted a profit last quarter. I guess if you make money in today’s woke world you a doomed for failure.
KenWD0ELQ
Ken Mitchell 24
Falling behind? After the sickouts at both Southwest and Jacksonville Center ATC, I think they're staying ahead! :-)
ekfd16c3
Carl Richter 30
It is not a mandate and the government has not the leagal athority to force someone to do something to their body that they do not want. Delta is not falling behind they are leading.
srobak
srobak 0
Executive Order 14042 was issued on September 9, 2021 and is directly applicable to all federal contractors.
isababeM
isababe M 2
Again, Executive orders from a occupying illegitimate Administration and President = 0, zilch, nada, nothing
axh1
Andrew Halushka 1
Have you actually read that mess?
srobak
srobak 1
Yes, I have. Thankfully I have plenty of background in contract writing - so I am able to noodle my way through it. While I think "mess" is a gross understatement of contractual wordsmithing that is absolutely gushing from that order... once cut through all the bs - it does establish the requirement, and quite harshly so. It reads more like a dictatorial directive than it does an EO, that's for damn sure.

Unfortunately - until first deciphered and then challenged in court - it is standing and can be leveraged.
dnorthern
dnorthern 46
Falling behind? How?

There were no stats showing DAL is losing business, passengers, employees or any other metric

More left wing, on their knees drivel
bentwing60
bentwing60 5
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/10/more-info-surfaces-on-southwest-airlines-flight-cancellations-and-pilot-push-back-against-vaccine-mandates/

Guess the SWA real 'front office' crowd agree and j steiner will probably plagiarize this post tomorrow as well.
Chrispetty1
Chris Petty 26
Falling behind??? I think not. They are out front!!
isababeM
isababe M 13
I applaud Delta, The will be leading the industry if they stay on course.
emkostiuk
emkostiuk 28
Gary Kelly, I believe your employees are telling you something after yesterday's fiasco. Sadly, a very poorly written article and one that is clearly one-sided by the author.
ron95020
Ron Wilcher 29
I am flying Delta from now on.....Joe can kiss myXXX
jwills8606
James Wills 33
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 58
Do illegals and recipients of Welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, etc., have to get the shots to keep getting free stuff? They are de facto Government "employees" since they are on the dole, so they should be part of the "mandates".

Yeah I thought not...... Double standard, punish the people that fund the free stuff, not the ones that get the benefits.
atanudey
Atanu Dey 6
Mike Mohle. Very well put, sir. Thank you.
kevinkeswick
Kevin Keswick 39
Delta is hardly "falling behind" It is leading the way and will be rewarded for standing up for the freedom of it's employees.

Southwest has had to cancel 1,000s of flights in the last 48 hours and pilots and attendants stage "sick outs". I expect other airlines to be hit as well.

No one should be forced to get these experimental drugs injected into them. For far to many healthy young men and women the vaccines have turned out to be lethal injections with myocarditis being the most concerning side effect.

Do we want pilots with myocarditis to be at the controls? They are ticking time bomb. A pilot with myocarditis is a real threat to the safety of their passengers. A pilot with a covid infection is not.

If passengers are worried about getting covid from a flight crew they are free to get the jabs themselves. The vaccines work don't they?

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mutrock
Mark Kortum 12
Exactly, "one ought to ponder" it, not be forced.
Jerrychill
Gerald Churchill 4
I have a mandate for Biden, get the hell out of the Oval Office !!
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 13
Quoting from the article:
“Delta has until December 8 to comply with Biden’s vaccine mandate.”
No real news to report until December 9, so this clickbait article is much ado about nothing. As I tell the kids at school when they squabble over who’s first in line: “It’s not a race, we’re all going to the same place.”

Actual journalism would report on whether or not Delta is losing customers to competitors who have already complied with the mandate.
kevinkeswick
Kevin Keswick 32
Biden's mandate has no force in law. He did not even sign an executive order - he just issued a press release as a way to intimidate companies from imposing mandates. It looks like Delta is the one company that will not be bullied.

Mandates make zero sense and are a violation of human rights. Since vaccinated people can get covid infections - and spread covid (at a much higher rate than non-vaccinated) what is the purpose of a vaccine "passport"?

The vaccines have been proven to be all but worthless - some claim they reduce severity of covid infections but there is no data to back that up - its all anecdotal - and if true that was not the purpose of the vaccine. We didn't get polio vaccines as kid to "lessen the symptoms of polio if we got infected.

The only solution to get out of this nightmare is to give everyone Ivermectin - not only as a treatment against covid infections but also as a prophylactic. In India a state with a population of 200 million has all but eradicated covid through the use of Ivermectin. They send out kits to those infected that include Ivermectin. Z-Pacs - Zinc, vit D, ox-pulse-meters, and a thermometer and they have had amazing results - the kits cost about $3 USD (that is not a typo). You will not read about the Indian experience in the US media because the US MSM is controlled by big pharma.

Some very evil people like Dr Fauci are preventing Americans from getting Ivermectin (just as he prevented AIDS patients in the 80's to get all ready available drugs).
srobak
srobak 4
additionally - India has undergone absolutely draconian methods of lockdown... as has the Philippines. Despite that, India has twice out-paced the rest of the world in their infection and death rates from covid and have also been caught multiple times in under-reporting the numbers. There has also been essentially been a total media blackout from India since about 6 months into the pandemic.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
And yet I read news from India every day? I guess their media was never told about the blackout?
gfonternel
Gary Fonternel 3
Excellent reply. I totally agree with you and the information you have stated here is confirmed by several sources that I have read too.
atanudey
Atanu Dey 9
Kevin Keswick, thanks for your comment. Dr Fauci should be -- and eventually would be -- tried as a criminal.
srobak
srobak 3
Actually, Executive Order, #14042 was unfortunately issued on September 9, 2021 and it applies to all federal contractors.
srobak
srobak 3
really... downvoting me for reporting a fact? I didn't write or sign the damn thing! Nor do I support it. I was simply correcting an error in someone's post.

Jesus some of you are the literal definition of dipshidiot!

Welcome to the age of shoot the messenger, I guess.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 4
Some real whoppers in there.

Of course vaccines make a huge difference to outcomes. It's the only reason to get the shot.

The mandates are useless, divisive and unconstitutional but you are galactically better off with the jab unless you are among the relatively few who suffer from it.

The ivermectin issue is a scandal and you correctly indentify the culprits.

Of course no one should be forced to take the vaccine. Trump who was responsible for the lightening fast rollout would never have imposed mandates.
SBI1
No Name 9
Falling behind?! I would say leading the way against sheep.
sho69607
Spencer Hoefer 16
I guess this is a political site now too.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 7
LethalThreat
LethalThreat 6
I always thought the politics of this site were pretty left leaning. This kind of response I did not expect.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 7
People interested in aviation seem to be more on the conservative side.

The site itself, not terribly so.

I would have supported getting rid of politics if the articles were strictly aviation but the subjects, as you can see, often beg a response/objection.

Just trying to fight the narrative that western democracies aren't the best thing going.....ever.
DNev
DNev 5
Total agreement. That's because most pilots can and do think for themselves. It's called PIC. That includes what you do to your own body.
srobak
srobak 2
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 5
Well, if the gubmit response to The Covid was not TOTALLY political, comments here would not be either. Illegals and welfare recipients do not need to get the shot, along with some elite labor union members but employers are forcing employees to -- per gubmit dictate -- not because they constitutionally can.
rmchambers
rmchambers 6
Most pilots I know (granted I don't know many kid pilots these days) tend to be a bit conservative. There are exceptions, one pilot I know and have known for years and is a very dear friend of mine is very left leaning but he's a good guy despite that. It takes all kinds to make a world and I don't care what your politics are UNTIL you start butting into my life with them. That includes what I choose to put into my body or NOT, etc.

I just don't see what the big deal is with COVID.. you make your decision and you live with the results. If companies insist on mandating it with their employees then I'll fly with ones that don't. As things sit now the "vaccine" doesn't protect against catching it, just some nebulous claim that if you do catch it you won't die quite as much as someone not vaccinated. What about people that have caught it and recovered? they still want to vaccinate them even though there's studies showing a natural recovery provides more protection against variants than the "vaccine" does.

The mRNA was a technology in search of a crisis to let them try it out in people. COVID provided that excuse. "We don't have time to develop a vaccine using dead/disabled viral particles like most vaccines are, we want to try and force the human body to create spike proteins and then hope the body recognizes these as invaders and attacks them" nothing could go wrong with that.
srobak
srobak 1
the big deal is that courtesy of the EO - there aren't going to be any airlines that do not mandate it with their employees.
srobak
srobak 2
it means people (including the lefties) are waking up!
srobak
srobak 2
sadly politics influences the aviation world. if you want that to change - then you need to take steps to change it.
bentwing60
bentwing60 4
It has been for a while and aren't they all? The Alphas didn't start it!
donabel
Donald Abel 14
I'll try to fly Delta more often. It appears that they're one of only a few scientifically rational airlines out there. That gives me confidence in their management and decision making process.
Ohio2Montana
Ohio2Montana 8
All the more reason to fly Delta.
rmchambers
rmchambers 13
I didn't read about Delta essentially being grounded with planes left all over the place and not where they were needed. I'd sooner give my travel dollars to companies that don't squash their employees right to chose what goes into their bodies or not.
godutch
godutch 16
"Falling behind" is a GOOD THING in this case. Delta has been very woke up to now...but seem to be redeeming themselves here a bit. Props!!! Freedom and liberty being protected...for now.
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 4
Good point. They jumped on the GA election law ruckus with coke and MLB. Neither of which I will waste a penny on.
TexasKid747
JW Wilson 21
Southwest is proof we are not sheep. AVIATION, TRUCKING, etc., these are where the power in this country resides, with the people, not in the White House. Buyden is a criminal. #NoMaskNoVaxNoWorries
jwills8606
James Wills 0
Right on the money. In the words of that great philosopher, Bill Clinton, "GO, BABY!"
ADDennis
Anthony Dennis 36
Sounds to me if they have it backwards - Delta is LEADING the industry and not giving in to the false narrative. The rest are just sheep. I hope to see every carrier who mandates vaccinations in bankruptcy.

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AlanGlover
Alan Glover 5
You mean the guy responsible for Operarion Warp Speed, the timely delivery of a vaccine Sleepy and the Ho said they'd not take but are now taking credit for even though they mishandled it so badly more people have died so far in 2021 under Xiden than all who died in 2020 when Trump was President?

You're the lamb, sweetheart. 😉

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srobak
srobak 12
1> Don't post links that are behind paywalls. People can't read the articles when you do this.

2> How exactly does their not imposing an illegal, unethical and immoral "mandate" upon their staff equal "falling behind"??? The article of course doesn't say how - at all. Instead - it actually goes through explicit detail on how Delta has actually been the most "health conscious" airline through the whole pandemic. This puts them in front - not behind.

In reality - the article should say that by not forcing the mandate upon their staff - they are leading the pack in respecting their employees. They've probably also seen the results at places like American and SWA when such stupidity gets imposed.

3> As a result - the only thing they are "falling behind" in is cancelled and delayed flights... while the other major carriers have all been far in the lead on that statistic - especially the last few weeks. This is an excellent position to be in. Keep it up, Delta - when someone chastises you like this - it means you are doing right.

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srobak
srobak 4
As the numbers show - simply being vaxxed does not reduce the chances of you getting or spread covid. Besides - the masks work, right? Believe me - people know the "risks" they are under when they get on the plane.

When you break down the covid deaths by age demographics, and compare it against other causes of death in the US (per the health dept):

To put this into perspective, using death probability statistics from America… highest to lowest causes of death are:

[2.4% COVID Risk Age 80+]
1.1% chance of dying by suicide
1% chance of dying of an opioid overdose
0.9% chance of tripping over and dying
0.9% chance of dying in a motor vehicle crash
[0.6% COVID Risk Age 70-79]
0.3% chance of dying in a gun-crime shooting
[0.07% COVID Risk Age 50-59]
0.06% chance of dying in a fire
0.04% chance of choking to death
[0.02% COVID Risk Age 40-49]
0.01% chance of dying of sunstroke
0.01% chance of dying in an accidental gun discharge
[0.007% COVID Risk Age 30-49]
0.007% chance of dying due to electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure
[0.002% COVID Risk Age 20-29]
0.001% chance of dying in a cataclysmic storm
0.001% chance of being mauled to death by a dog
0.001% chance of being stung to death by wasps and bees
[0.0005% COVID Risk Age 10-19]
0.0007% chance of being killed by lightning
[0.0001% COVID Risk Age 5-9]
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel -7
Fact: COVID-19 has killed more Americans that all the wars in the 20th century.
USA deaths from COVID-19 (to date): 741,000 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) Americans killed in the Vietnam war: 58,220 Americans killed in WW2: 405,399 Americans killed in WW1: 116,516.
Vaccination almost ensures that infection does not cause death.
bobbylykins
Bobby Lykins 5
Add my ex-wife's cooking, and you'll hit a million!
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 3
axh1
Andrew Halushka 3
You have a higher chance of dying when you get on the freeway to get to the airport.
chuckkemp
Chuck Kemp 4
"Vaccination almost ensures that infection does not cause death."

Where'd you find that tidbit of info, CNN? Israel has one of the highest vax rate in the world and most of the current hospitalizations and deaths had the vax. One other fact verified thru VAERS is the Covid vax has killed more than all of the other vax'ed combined, measle, polio etc.
Pachypodium
David Kozlowski 3
Wrong!

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/unvaxxed-10-of-israelis-are-73-of-serious-cases-65-of-deaths-1.10251639
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 0
Here's evidence:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm
srobak
srobak 1
"over 65". Nuff said.

Falls perfectly in line with:

using death probability statistics from America… highest to lowest causes of death are:

[2.4% COVID Risk Age 80+]
1.1% chance of dying by suicide
1% chance of dying of an opioid overdose
0.9% chance of tripping over and dying
0.9% chance of dying in a motor vehicle crash
[0.6% COVID Risk Age 70-79]
0.3% chance of dying in a gun-crime shooting
[0.07% COVID Risk Age 50-59]
0.06% chance of dying in a fire
0.04% chance of choking to death
[0.02% COVID Risk Age 40-49]
0.01% chance of dying of sunstroke
0.01% chance of dying in an accidental gun discharge
[0.007% COVID Risk Age 30-49]
0.007% chance of dying due to electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure
[0.002% COVID Risk Age 20-29]
0.001% chance of dying in a cataclysmic storm
0.001% chance of being mauled to death by a dog
0.001% chance of being stung to death by wasps and bees
[0.0005% COVID Risk Age 10-19]
0.0007% chance of being killed by lightning
[0.0001% COVID Risk Age 5-9]
medic350
Sean Sims -1
So many like to cite VAERS to claim vaccine safety concerns, but then fail to read what VAERS really is. From the About VAERS page, "VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern."

Without studies, many of which have been completed and disprove VAERS reports, the data in VAERS alone means nothing.
srobak
srobak 3
uh huh - care to cite those studies?

and yeah - vaers is passive.... imagine the numbers if it was an ACTIVE reporting system. yikes.
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn 3
The numbers include fatalities from other causes and have been falsely reported. Now Colin, take a deep breath, breathe out, again a deeeeeeeeep breath, hold it, now breathe out again, ahhhhhhhhhhhh, okay now you can reply to me and tell me my information is fake.
jgeorg72
John Georg 2
Exactly right. Sad how many people out there believe that 741,000 number. I'm sure they also believe that the number of deaths attributed to the common flu has all but went to zero since early 2020.
srobak
srobak 3
ok? and? both heart disease and cancer each outpace covid - by claiming over 600k lives each, every year for the last FOUR DECADES.
bentwing60
bentwing60 2
Good thing breathing is an autonomic response. A true libtard , always convinced but seldom correct!
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse 1
Where do you get these numbers ?
You believe in the tooth fairy I suppose
axh1
Andrew Halushka 1
An airline? Respect customers? [loud laughter]
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
How is Delta exposing passengers to any more risk then the other airlines?
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn 0
Oh Colin, I thought that masks were the end all, cure all for the Wuhan (whoops Covid) flu?
waypoint66
David Rice 0
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
People are most respected when you don't treat them as slaves, or children.
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu 12
Good. That "mandate" is violating human rights as set forth by the Nuremberg Code, the UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc. I know world leaders are falling over eachother to become the new Doctor Mengele, but we've been down this road before, just a little under a century ago, and it ended badly. Very badly.
waypoint66
David Rice -1
So all of the sudden you’re in favor of letting the UN rule your life? What happened to your John Birch anti-UN stance? You’re ok with the UN banning your guns then, right? Typical of liars like you, “Cristi with an I”.
r27cj
Robert C Jackson 12
'Executive Orders' such as this amount to "Royal Decrees" ... The United States is a Constitutionally Limited Republic ... not a kingdom!

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robertprice19
robertprice19 3
"Show me the law that makes it illegal for an employer to mandate a vaccination"

It's the same law that makes it illegal for employers to mandate pregnant employees get an abortion.
srobak
srobak 2
Well - the Executive Order, #14042 was unfortunately issued on September 9, 2021 and it applies to all federal contractors.
chuckkemp
Chuck Kemp 4
The federal government cannot mandate an experimental drug. Only FDA approved drugs. Current covid vaccines are EUA approved only. Try to find the approved Pfizer version known as Comirnaty. That's the big lie of omission as we have been led to believe these vaccines are approved and freely available, they are not. The little things matter. What's good for you may not be for others.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine?s_cid=11700:are%20the%20covid%20vaccines%20approved%20by%20the%20fda:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 5
show me in the Constitution where I can be forced to have shot
Pachypodium
David Kozlowski 2
Jacobson v. Massachusetts and Zucht v. King will point that out for you.
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 2
could be rulings that may be overturned
not in the Constitution, I choose my words carefully
waypoint66
David Rice 0
You are an idiot. The Constitution is interpreted. All of those interpretations can be “overturned”. I chose my words carefully too...you are an idiot.
jwills8606
James Wills 5
Falling behind? Really? I wouldn't phrase it like that. More like .... BAAAAAAAAAAAA...
gschulte2583
George Schulte 7
How are they falling behind by providing sensible options for their employees to choose whether they want to be "vaccinated" or not - rather than bullying them into submission?
Where is the informed consent if they force employees?
ronspw
Ron Souther 5
Join USFreedomFlyers org, a grass roots movement of 1000’s of airline professionals, to help stop mandates for crews and passengers!
BrianMyers
Brian Myers 5
Gotta love Delta! Stick to your guns!! Just flew them recently and they were super great and polite regarding the mask mandate onboard. Can't say the same about SW! Terrible!!!
waypoint66
David Rice 0
So you flew SW recently and argued about wearing a mask? I fly multiple times per week. All airlines react the same way if you argue about a mask. Delta is no different. Let’s just wait and see what Delta really does, as Yazoo suggested above.
2MileFinal
2MileFinal 5
So once you start contracting with the devil, i.e. the low IQ chimp government, you're hands are tied? Hmmm, now think about that once. Millions of senior citizens and others get a government paycheck in the from of Socialism that's on the cusp of collapse since it's so damn insolvent. Does that mean the president has the capacity to force all those that live on the tit of the government to become vaccinated as well?

Maybe companies like Delta et al whose hands are forced upon them need to get together with some lawyers and Supreme Court expert groups and law firms and nip this crap in the bud.

Even though I was on the fence for a long time about getting the vaccine, I finally got the damn thing last month and a couple weeks ago got the booster after much research, talking to my doctor, and next door neighbor who's a nurse. Yes, all sides were considered up to and including Joe Rogan. LOL! I chose Pfizer and had no side effects that I know of. Neither did any of my family have side effects. The conspiracy theorist in my wonders if I actually was given the vaccine since I talked and heard from so many people that said they had about 16 hours to two days worth of side effects after getting vaccinated. Yet, I have had none and neither from my family. I guess it really does show you your biological disposition plays a part here with a COVID infection or the vaccine. And three of my family members got COVID and beat it off like it was nothing.


Having said that, I'm a strong supporter of individual freedom, and NO ONE should be forced to get sxxt from this government or any government! That's a decision you need to make yourself and your doctor/s.

It just goes to show you how tyrannical a government is and what the Founding Fathers long wrote down about it all.

Let's just have a look at what a declaration says. A Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT..."


That's OUR contractual obligations!
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 3
What about those on Welfare, Medicaid, etc., do they have to get the shot to keep getting free stuff? LET'S GO BRANDON!
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn 4
My hat is off to Delta airlines for flipping the tyrant Joe Biden off and not requiring their employees to be vaccinated. We are still in America and tyrants like Joe Biden have no business or right to mandate vaccines or masks.

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dnorthern
dnorthern 2
Cool the jets big boy. Too early in the day for key board warriorism. You risk either breaking your fingers on the keys or skinning your noodle while arrogantly engaging in self-aggrandizement
Yazoo
Yazoo 3
Delta requires all new hire employees to be full vaccinated. Delta also has a side Letter Of Agreement with the pilot union, ALPA, to pay pilots to get the vaccine. That LOA expires 01Nov. We'll see what happens between then and 08Dec.
michaeljeanfreau
Michael Jeanfreau 5
Gosh, I thought FlightAware was about aviation news, not leftist political agendas. I've been flying Delta exclusively BECAUSE they don't have a vaccine mandate. I don't know what "falling behind" means in your book, but they've gotten 100% of my business since other airlines have cow towed to the political agenda of the left.
srobak
srobak 1
this is aviation news. sadly - whackadoo agendas influence aviation.
IAOA
IAOA 2
sconklan
sconklan 2
Best news I've heard about Scalawag Delta in years.
5daltongang
Brooke Dalton 2
Biden needs to stay out of the airline business. This will be Biden disaster 101. What will it look like on Dec 3 (The Biden deadline)when all the ground control, Pilots, and flight attendants gets fire from rightly choosing not to get the vaccine from all airlines including UPS, Fed Ex, and Prime? What is that going to do to the travel and delivery industry? Our supply chain is hurting now with the container ships stuck at sea and a trucker shortage of 60,000 truckers. It will be interesting to watch... Merry Christmas.
waypoint66
David Rice -2
Like the world needs long-haul truck drivers? Wake up, that job is on the cusp of complete automation, just a few years ahead of airline pilot.
wan2fly99
Anthony Acri 1
Who are they to tell us what to put in our bodies They can all go to hell and the people that are following these phycopts leaders.
Time to call in Michael to clean the swamp
medic350
Sean Sims 2
Do you have the same response when the old white men tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies?
srobak
srobak 2
I have no dog in that fight. NOT my body, so NOT my choice.
srobak
srobak 0
downvoting me because I am minding my own body and leaving others to do the same to theirs? Yeah, you're special.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -2
Lila Rose is not an old white man (you're living in the past...and a fake one at that).

It isn't the body of the woman with which we are concerned.

Pregnancy is a natural and vital part of Mother Nature's prime directive, an awesome privilege in the continuation of life.

It is the vulnerable, 100% innocent and UNIQUE individual gesturing ascwe speak with whom we are concerned.

Now who in this scenario cares more for life and less about the "inconvenience" of birthing a child?
wan2fly99
Anthony Acri -4
medic350
Sean Sims 1
Haha! The hypocrisy is SOOOO THICK!
TexasKid747
JW Wilson 8
So is the lack of maturity to have a debate instead of school-yard name calling. As an adoptee, I am just a little Pro-Life. "Hypocro-size" that.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 3
I agree. Anyone who supports abortion should be galactically against vaccine mandates.
But that's not the case, is it?
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
The liberal viewpoint is about logic.
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 2
Lacks logic in most cases..... Let's Go Brandon!
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
Whoops, there was a word missing from my post. "Not". Thanks for correcting me!
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
Uh, there are TWO bodies involved in that issue. But, if you ignore those that are the most vulnerable and unable to speak for themselves, then yes, your point might make sense. However, we've all been there and I bet you're happy that you weren't offed by your mother. And the 'old white men' drivel is so biased it should be punished. Have you witnessed a right to life event? Majority are women and youth. Open your mind! Wake up!
waypoint66
David Rice -1
Right on! Send your kids to school without the required vaccinations! Who cares about Whooping Cough, Measles, or Polio? /s
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse 2
Don’t believe one word of delta “falling behind”. Biden is a despicable , cruddy POS I applaud Delta and SW pilots for “going by the book”.
JJ7
JJ Johnson 2
Comrade Joe is going to be slaughtered by law suits and blowback soon with his Orwellian edicts.
And the Midterms

Maybe Delta values freedom over tyranny?

Let's Go Brandon!
#EmptyshelvesJoe
#FJB
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 2
Sadly when you sue the government they just pay the money out of the taxpayers pockets not the pocket of those who make the stupid decisions that lead to the lawsuit.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
Lawsuits? By whom? Over what? Ever try to sue the President? Of course you have not, you’re just a POS talker.
JJ7
JJ Johnson 2
Marxist Much? It's call class action. My wife's company is forcing vaccines and a huge law suit is brewing. It is called medical tyranny for starters. Plus the vaccines have no liability protections.

1.Vaccines have no liability protections. Congress made it that way
2.What if you have already had COVID?
3.One of my family members fully vaccinated just got out of the hospital with COVID. The vaccine didn't work
4. Masks don't work just medical security theater.

Go ahead. Keep being a good little sheeple. You are obviously a Democrat aka Marxist because you name call or play the race card. It's all you got. O I forgot January 6th keep beating that dead horse also if it makes you Marxists feel better.
MSUSparty
MSU Sparty 1
What a pathetic article by two SHEEP that are Fauci worshipers. I think Delta is leading the pack and this mandate will not last. After 8 months the efficacy is down to 50% and then what oh great Fauci? Boosters every 5 months until we have 25 boosters? Delta just keep trying to do the right thing and I hope Gary Kelly is listening also.
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 1
I'm flying Delta in a couple of weeks and I do admit this is a bit baffling, given their generally good track record in dealing with this issue. But after reading the article, I'm not particularly worried at this point. I'm fully vaccinated, flying, business, and planning to wear an N-95 for the trip.
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 1
There is no "mandate" as of Oct. 13, 2021. If you can find one published by OSHA in the Federal Register, please post. Ditto for a Presidential Executive Order. It is all threat and intimidation by press conference. Biden doesn't know or doesn't care that his puffery is not legal or binding but cowardly corporate wokesters follow like sheep.
I would much rather fly unvaxxed Delta than a vaxxed Southwest or American.
5daltongang
Brooke Dalton 3
The Biden administration is using the federal contracts awarded to the airlines as justification for making such a demand on airlines.
srobak
srobak 2
Executive Order, #14042 was unfortunately issued on September 9, 2021 and it applies to all federal contractors.
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 1
do you think slo Xiao Xiden will punt when the Delta pilots say we're not moving your stuff
I think so
waypoint66
David Rice 0
Unfortunately, you can’t fly “unvaxxed Delta”, since 95% of their pilots/crews are already “vaxxed”, they pay them to get the COVID vaccine.
topgunnh
Peter McGrath 1
After the "top competitors" get rid of all their employees over this stupid Vax mandate, Delta will be the airline still able to fly!
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse 1
Exactly. Anne Bracken just another dumb woman
PANATIVE
Anne Bracken 5
No need to get personal, Bonnie. I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion without being called a name. You don’t know me from Adam, let alone my intellectual abilities.
waypoint66
David Rice -1
Bonnie Clouse just another sheep of FoxNews.
xjfive
Jim Bassler 1
What a pathetic bunch of whiney asshats on here! You're the same people who rely on science and evidence based practices to fly aircraft, but go on about a simple vaccine? Pathetic! I work in healthcare and we are mandated to get the flu shot every year. No one quits, holds their breath or whines. We do it to protect you. Now go call the mod...
jimsarushfan
Huck Finn 3
So take the vaccine yourself but don't get your knickers in a bunch over us people who still believe in freedom of choice. Whether or not I take the vaccine or wear the mask (which I don't) is my business and not yours. Health employees need to concentrate on providing services to people who want the services otherwise mind your own business.
isababeM
isababe M 1
Do not tread on me means shove that damn jabb into your d*ck, my body my choice not yours or anyone elses.
waypoint66
David Rice -2
For you, but not for everyone, right? You’re a real hero. /s
mohawk5
Dolores Allee 1
I use to look forward to your Friday post and read the articles and comment's from Pilot's and other Military personal.. the last several months show increasing comment's becoming angry, political and confrontational! Are you Left ? Middle ? Right ? Are you yes on Covid ? are you no on Covid ? Who the "F" cares ? Covid is a KILLER, so go ahead and kill yourselves, family and friends ? The few past year's have found a voice that people live by and believe in ? I prefer to chose life and try not to die with this Covid killer.....
Ask, what I can do to help AMERICA and help to end this!
700,000 plus of our fellow American's are gone and would have liked to know that answer ?
I'm waiting for the cannon ball's coming ? I'm cool with that .....
Geldridge
Gary Eldridge 0
Good for Delta! They deserve my business. No president has the legal right or authority to mandate a vaccine when the public has no recourse to sue big pharma or employers should the employee become injured due to the vaccine. Hundreds of thousands of people have been injured (blood clots, low platelet counts, paralysis and even death) due to receiving the vaccine (according to the CDC operated website VAERS). Employers need to start pushing back against this Hitleristic mandate.
kelliott3ster
kelliott3ster -1
Unvaccinated people spread the risk of passing on a deadly disease and promoting a new variant.
The good news unvaccinated people who get sick enough to end in hospital don't walk out.
srobak
srobak 1
false news. sorry. read and post the facts.
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 3
The latest research shows that vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID19. Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 3
still < 3% , not deadly unless you have underlying condition
and vax people can be speaders according to reports.
this Communist Chinese flu is over hyped
srobak
srobak 1
Citing nbc as a source is like saying you are a pilot because you know how to fold up a paper airplane. Move along.
randomnumber
David Bristol 2
Not liking the news outlet shouldn't prevent you from reading the linked scientific articles and then making the judgement call.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
It would if, like srobak, you get your “news” from social media.
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse -4
You sir are an idiot. Keep your ignorance to yourself.
Memlaw57
Memlaw57 0
What usually gets left out by the “tyrant” and “freedom” contingent is the part about vaccination OR TESTING. Getting tested regularly is hardly some onerous burden if you won't that the simple step of getting a shot to protect you, your family, your neighbors and passengers. Sheesh.
srobak
srobak -1
as evidenced by the numbers - the simple step of getting the shot DOESN'T protect.
Memlaw57
Memlaw57 1
Apart from the fact that 90+% of the hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated, sure.
dnorthern
dnorthern 2
That %age is tossed out there without any indication of statistical significance. That makes it highly suspect for reliability
srobak
srobak 1
This is flatly false information.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse 0
One last comment. BIDEN PUMPING MILLIONS INTO UNITED. United owes him at the expense of a human life. Ciao , all.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
What are you babbling on about? Go take your TD medications, crazy cat woman.
KathleenGillis
Kathleen Gillis -1
Delta doesn't conform so they must promote negative publicity. That's what this is about.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
Delta is currently in the process of paying their crews to get the COVID-19 vaccination and over 95% of their crews have already done so. Agreement to pay their employees to get the shot ends Dec 1st, so we’ll see.
09mean
09mean -8
Vaccine , I couldn’t get it quick enough .
COVID has 100% death rate amongst my personal friends .
It is not a pleasant death .
Get real .
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 10
97.7 % of covid 19 sufferers under 70 yo survive the disease.

If you're telling the truth, you are one unlucky sob.
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu 6
Public Health England has admitted that the IFR for this virus is 0.095%. So...
rmchambers
rmchambers 4
Are all your friends overweight, diabetic, with lung and heart issues and in advanced age ? or did you only have one friend and they died thus making it 100%?
srobak
srobak 1
waypoint66
David Rice -2
What is a lie? That this one person claims, anecdotally, that all his friends who contracted COVID-19 died? 1) How do you know it is a lie, and 2) Why would it matter, as anecdotal evidence is evidence of nothing, right? Srobak is an idiot sheep who believes and does everything they are told. Tucker Carlson told you to not get the shot, so they didn’t. F-ing sheep.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 3
Examine your multitude of posts on this thread. Aren't you guilty of exactly the same things you are so vehemently chastising others for? What is your purpose?
jimcnewport
Jim Connelly 1
you are either fat, dumb or old and all of your friends, too
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 0
No mandate but they're charging such employees more for insurance. That's just as pathetic.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
Employers don’t charge for health insurance. Insurance companies do. Employers hire insurance companies who then set the rates, moron.
Huffer
Huffer -6
Any pilot who received the vax should be grounded for three years. The death rate for the vaxed is very unpredictable so a vaxed pilot is jeopardizing any flight they are captain on.
The entire industry is in grave danger, not to mention the passengers and the public on the ground!
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 7
No. You're a paranoid Karen. Here in Canada we have among the highest vax rates in the world and the places that are more vaccinated have lower hospitalizations and deaths.

Now, we DO have a CCP-admiring ponyboy of a Prime Minister at the mo who is all in on illogical, divisive and unscientific mandates but that doesn't mean the vaccines don't work. They do.
rprice3
R Price III 1
Delta has already had a pilot die behind the yoke. Co-pilot made emergency landing.
waypoint66
David Rice 0
No source, of course. These are “social media news hounds”.
mmc7090
mmc7090 -1
Falling behind? Nobody should listen to this poser in Thief. Mandates? There is no law just a threat to enforce with the barrel of a gun.
Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, Geneva, 12 August 1949, Articles 32 and 147. Article 7 of the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides: “No one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.”
waypoint66
David Rice 1
So now you’re willing to give in to UN mandates. Get ready to give up your guns to the UN, genius.
Memlaw57
Memlaw57 -1
Not to mention: COVID cases are causing pilot shortages: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-10-14/plane-crash-risks-rise-as-covid-19-leaves-airline-pilots-out-of-practice
waypoint66
David Rice 3
Story has nothing to do with pilot shortages.
srobak
srobak 0
all those vaxxed pilots - yet they still get covid? shocking!
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 3
Only if you don't understand how vaccines work.
Memlaw57
Memlaw57 1
Also, the “Out of practice pilots” the story refers to are the many pilots not working in the early unvaxxed pandemic period of little travel.
“ Deep cuts by airlines left some 100,000 pilots globally working skeleton hours or on long-term leave, according to consulting firm Oliver Wyman. Many haven’t flown for more than 18 months. But as rising vaccination rates allow travel to resume, concerns are growing that a lack of proficiency, confidence, or simply one moment of forgetfulness could lead to tragedy.”
skymark340
Mark White -1
I’ll be leaving this newsletter. Can’t trust it. Continue to post inflammatory cancel culture clap trap and see where it gets you.
BonnieClouse
Bonnie Clouse 5
Agree. Division amongst people is black or white. I am a life long proud Conservative who’s family has voted Republican going back to my grandparents both paternal & fraternal. Can’t argue with a Democrat. They are too ignorant and gullible. Keep on shooting up Dems.! Adios to this story.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 2
I personally don’t believe in supporting just one party. I think candidates need to show they are worthy of my vote and I will decide based on the person running not the party they represent.
waypoint66
David Rice -2
Interesting (but not surprising) that self-proclaimed “life-long” Republicans see the world as Black and White. F-ing crackers.
JBI2k4
J B -4
There will be commercial consequences, this winter at least, for publicly self-identifying as "the anti-vaxxer airline". The more travelers who choose it, the cleaner the air on the mandate-abiding carriers. Just let everybody know, and let the chips fall where they may.
axh1
Andrew Halushka -2
From Seth Tillman:
If an airline executive engages in costly corporate conduct in response to a nonexistent federal mandate, is that a breach of his/her fiduciary duty subject to a stockholders' derivative action?

If an airline executive negligently/recklessly/knowingly lies to the public in regards to his motives or purposes for engaging and costly corporate action, i.e. his/her asserting the existence of a nonexistent federal mandate, is that a breach of federal securities laws?

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