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FAA disregarded security flaws during the certification of Boeing 737 MAX, sources claim

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According to the Seattle Times, FAA managers forced their employees working on the aircraft's certification to delegate a wide of range of their responsibilities to Boeing itself for the safety assessment 737 MAXs. (airlinerwatch.com) Ещё...

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bentwing60
bentwing60 5
the Faa has been employing DER's in the certification process, as well as production, for many years and the MAX certification was no different from that standpoint. two sides to every tale there Robert.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/individual_designees/der/

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bentwing60
bentwing60 2
The "thumb" has lost it's stature with me since the doors opened here. Once, it was about the post, now it's about the poster. Not surprisingly I didn't win too many popularity contests, but it didn't keep me from findin the airport.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
Interesting to read the this MCAS system apparently resets every time the pilot pulls against it? Another article states that a one or two hour ipad course on system differentials was given to crews. I wonder if anyone ever brought up the question of sensor failure causing MCAS activation ( other than the QRH Stab Trim Switches) and if the fault was programmable into the simulator?
bentwing60
bentwing60 3
HF, the fact that these two events occurred immediately after takeoff obviously adds to the equation, but how many real problems did they throw at you at 350 in the sim. Most are on takeoff or arrival, and while none of the speculation is settled fact, I would ask, how would reacting to a stab trim runaway not be in the cards even without Boeings stupid ommissions? I contend that they spend all their time in the sim. now learning how to use the automation, not how to fly the airplane with what's left when it fails.
Highflyer1950
Highflyer1950 1
True enough. I was just speculating as to a what if, because some 737 driver somewhere, should have asked the question having just learned and read about MCAS on the differences course can we simulate it? We had the type of issue with the Pitch Trim Compensator on the stretch DC-8. If the crews were new or very low time I would expect some ambiguity, but high time experienced B737 pilots should have been asking the questions? You are quite right on the training/ automation front!
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
So now we have an airplane with bigger, heavier more powerful motors mounted further forward from the CG. A full power stall recovery would now create a much more exaggerated pitch up response than the original airplane displayed. And for the same reasons, an idle power stall would have an exaggerated nose down pitching moment and seemingly a lesser problem as the natural tendency. Until you pushed max power to recover and went into a very high AOA accelerated stall. Hence MCAS? It fits. The Boeing test pilots know and we will too when it all comes out in court.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
I agree with your and Highflyer's assessments entirely and will add another point. With a system that can have such control of the stab, it is unbelievable that any engineer or pilot would design it to operate off a single source with no failsafe particularly when another system is on the other side of the airframe.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -1
The FDA has implemented a plan where the food companies are in charge of testing and reporting their own products in the case of a contamination problem. I don't think it's working well either. Inspectors have been taken off jobs across the industries as the bankrupt government tries to at least look like they are doing their job.

Sooner or later, someone will have to step up and start paying more taxes, or their won't be a damn country left.

And THIS is why I posted about the president making the announcement of the grounding. He's a capitalist, not a politician. I don't trust him to have OUR best interests over his and his families money interests.

Call me names all you want, but there it is. I don't trust him, I don't trust his administration, I don't trust his cadre of 'acting' administrators who all worked for the industries they are now supposed to regulate. His BLA just opened up millions of acres in the west to drilling. His BLA is stuffed to the gills with 'acting' administrators and staff who work for oil and gas companies.
nasdisco
Chris B -2
It was a lame attempt to be seen as being a decision maker. Boeing has one of the biggest lobbying operations in DC. You can be sure they are working overtime.

Now what do they do with all the 737 max that are scheduled to be built. Seems ferry permits to alternative locations are going to be needed pretty darned quick.
jmadunleavy
John D 6
Not to get off topic, but there's plenty of cash coming into the federal coffers, how it being spent is the problem.

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maverick49
Tom Novak 2
The Department of Transportation seems to take these sources serious.

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maverick49
Tom Novak 2
From the article: "The sources who spoke to the newspaper requested anonymity to protect their jobs and positions at the FAA and other aviation organizations." It is pretty understandable.

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maverick49
Tom Novak 3
At that point I agree to you. They should have spoken out before. It's too late now. Hundreds of people lost their lives. But, if there is an omission, we must know whose fault it is, so it wouldn't happen again. I don't accuse or defend anyone. I just want to know the truth like all.
mbrews
mbrews -2
Oh yes ? The pressured FAA or Boeing employees shall be fearless & fall on their swords as whistleblowers ? Yeah, right. We're sure they're so very eager to end their careers & join the unemployment line. Spend more time in reality, not virtual reality on a sim
JamiePetroski
Jamie Petroski -3
Was Trumps administration in charge when this aircraft was being tested and certified?

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JamiePetroski
Jamie Petroski 1
Nope. It was just a question. I like Trump. I think he gets blamed for everything from moldy bread to solar flares and EVERYONE liked him until he "upset the apple cart" and won. He also puts America first and I think he loves our country very much!
linbb
linbb -2
So? Is it true or not? That's the big question here but hey keep it up adds to the BS.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 2
Inspectors are expensive, and money talks.

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ToddBaldwin3
Todd Baldwin 3
This is really not the right place for that.

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