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At least two homes have been damaged from a plane crash in East Haven, authorities said. The town's mayor said three are missing after, two `might have been young children.' The crash happened just before 11:30 a.m.on or near Charter Oak Ave. That is north of Tweed-New Haven Airport, along the approach for a runway. An FAA official told the Associated Press that the multi-engine plane had departed Teterboro, New Jersey, and crashed while approaching Tweed.… (www.ctpost.com) Ещё...

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dbaker
Daniel Baker 6
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N13622

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/5510-47858602456935b84552858286f0b647061bffba/aircraft/N13622/sort/votes/page/1
NSGDC
Scott Keller 2
Heartbreaking. Horribly sad... Does Mark Duell know the pilot? Looks like he has a few pictures posted of the aircraft. Track looks like he's on the ILS 2 flying from the southwest into HVN, but the house is north of the field. Must have gone missed. Witnesses seem to say the aircraft wasn't under power, but to lose two engines on climb out from a missed approach would seem unlikely. Even if down to just one, those dash 5s make a lot of noise. Although, after a loss of one, reaching minimum controllable airspeed, he might have pulled back on the other and just couldn't get it back under control with the altitude he had left. Very sad...
Foxtrot789
Foxtrot789 2
Looking at the data it doesn't look like he ever started climbing (again)after an approach. The final two data entries start at 4,900ft and for Vertical Speed they were 1500fpm then 1680fpm descending. That makes me think something along the lines of the pilot became incapacitated m aybe and the plane nosed over with nobody to recover in the right seat.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 1
Think you're reading it backwards. Last altitude readout was 700 ft. with a decent rate of 420 ft.
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
I expect the airplane was a -10 conversion Scott. He flight planned it at 300 to 310, a -5 would be 270 to 280 I think. I have flown a few hours in a -10 and I liked the airplane. Bit disconcerting on the first couple of landings though, seems like your butt is gonna drag ground. Sad indeed for what sounded like another good guy in another good airplane.
kayo0011
kevin owens 1
They were on the ILS runnway 2, circle to land 20. Maybe a stall spin. Weather was IFR but not that bad. Airport manager has no clue.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
During the press conference, the airport manager said the plane performed a go around and was on approach on line with the runway.

Pilot and son reported missing, as well as 2 minors in one of the 2 houses impacted.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish -1
To be more precise, all 4 are presumed dead.
acmi
acmi 2
nasty day and route with the local WX today
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Reported weather, 900 over, 9 miles vis. wind S @ 14 Knts.

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bentwing60
bentwing60 2
I think, that is what I thought when I first saw the FA track and the weather, but I'm gittin a little gun shy about gittin my exercise jumping to conclusions and being the first poster. Perfect weather for circle to land, runway too short to not circle, even in a Commander, and no go around noise, cause he didn't go around. I hadn't seen the crash location til now, but it's right for a circling approach and the airplane seems to have done all the damage in one spot so little lateral momentum, supports the stall spin theory. This guy seemed to do a lot of flying, judging from his last 4 months on FA, so certainly familiar with the airplane. Pure speculation and time will tell.

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bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Hard to reconcile several witness accounts of no noise. You just can't make Garretts quiet. And imagine for one horrifying moment, very low altitude, nose pointed at the ground and ground rushing up at you. Where would the yoke be? Don't know about the rudder.

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gsmith4151
harold smith 1
Never seen or flown a 200 with Garrett's. what serial number is that?

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gsmith4151
harold smith 1
61s, I'm jealous. Are you rvsm? I have g1000 but still have the old 42s so don't get above 290 very often.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
These folks who live under the approach are used to hearing aircraft noise all day long every day. They know what a plane on approach sounds like, better than most. Sometimes, someone may not be paying attention and the aircraft sounds just blend into the background.

But I give extra weight to the report by an aircraft mechanic of the engine not sounding right, like a lawn mower that got stuck on a stick. It is understandable that an abnormally muted engine would be missed by some.
clifsimonson
Clif Simonson 1
Tragic and very sad day. The short flight looks like a busy one, with several vectors/heading changes. Nothing too unusual, assuming the sequence of turns just after departure was due to traffic or ATC vectors - it doesn't look like it's for weather. Does anyone notice that the leg flown to what I would guess (without pulling out the chart) is near or close to the IAF looks a bit sinusoidal in that the heading seems to have varied quite a bit per FA. I would suggest hand flying, however the altitude hold is so solid, that they had to be on altitude hold. Were the winds pushing him off course and his autopilot heading mode not working or not properly correcting? Or is this just a radar issue. Was heading mode off? The owners group is composed of many skilled owner pilots - most commanders are owner flown so I don't immediately gravitate to a pilot skill or training issue. I really love the Commander and it's hard not to speculate and put myself in the pilot's seat. I just sold mine (a 695A) after several great years of flying and can attest to their safety record and outstanding flying qualities. Like any complicated high performance airplane you have to always pay attention. You certainly do not want to get slow and low on final - but that goes for any aircraft. RIP and condolences to the families.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
There are many reports that they didn't hear the plane, or stopped hearing it suddenly prior to the crash. The most telling observation was that of an airplane mechanic, who said the plane engine didn't sound right, like a lawn mower that got stuck with a stick.
bbabis
bbabis 1
A very sad accident. A successful father trying to help a young son into a successful life both parish along with two innocent children on the ground. My prayers go out for all involved. We may never know what actually happened because this type of aircraft does not carry the black (orange) boxes that are so often mentioned in aircraft accidents. What we do know is that the aircraft impacted inverted out of control. To get this way from normal flight so fast has three main possibilities; wake turbulence, VMC rollover, or stall spin with a snap over. I haven't heard of any other larger aircraft in the area that would have generated a wake but it is possible around that airport. A VMC rollover would have generated much noise from the operating engine and witnesses state their was none but witnesses often get things wrong. The aircraft was reported to be circling to land. This can be a classic setup for a stall spin. You can get in too close while being low and slow and get an overwhelming desire to rudder it around to get lined up and then bad things happen. Finally, there are the one-in-a-million strange things that can happen and leave no evidence and no one alive to say it happened.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The hard left rudder makes your third option the likeliest, especially going low and slow just feet from the runway. There were eyewitness accounts of the plane spiraling, and it did impact inverted.

They'll look for and try to rule out mechanical causes for the weird engine sound/ crash, etc. But the explanation that several aviators have observed as most likely seems the best match for the elements of the scenario that have come to light so far, and in the end seems the most likely cause.
carcasas
Carlos Casas 1
Were are the children ? Is a true misterius..and the pilot ? Sincery all be Ok..
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
All are presumed dead. The part of the house the children occupied was destroyed. Neighbors entered the home immediately after crash, and did not find the children. When opening one door of a room the children could be in, the room was gone. There was was only the remains of the plane's burning fuselage.

There is an unconfirmed report that the plane wet down in a spiral.
R123154
RICK HUGHES 1
So very sad this is.I am supried the Turbo Commander went down for it is a very safe airplane and has a very good safety record.God be with the families in this awful tragedy.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
just following the thread, nothing to add
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
There are many reports that they didn't hear the plane, or stopped hearing it suddenly prior to the crash. The most telling observation was that of an airplane mechanic, who said the plane engine didn't sound right, like a lawn mower that got stuck with a stick.

http://www.ctnow.com/news/hc-east-haven-plane-crash-0810-20130809,0,29773.story
MANBOI
MANBOI 1
Fuel starvation? Short flight took more than twice as long as normal. Hey lets buy cheaper gas somewhere besides TEB.

Same pilot: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20090429X35008&key=1
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
The pilot's account of that crash:

http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/7_days/new/36068/Microsoft_Exec_pilot_s_blog_account_of_first_crash
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
Too bad and too sad. What was the orientation/training of pilot/s like? Were they not American ? How could/did they make a mistake ?

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akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
Honestly, what I have gathered through this portal is that Americans make the best pilots, and best pilots do not make mistakes. Period.

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preacher1
preacher1 2
O-o-o-o-h, but correct. Don't matter your nationality. Can you fly the damn plane
flygirl620se
Sharon Stewart 1
The term is racist not raciest. American is not a race.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
In the context of racism/raciesm at the international level American/ German/French/ Indian is a race. So it will depend.
preacher1
preacher1 1
The nation of Islam uses it quite regularly in referring to the "AMERICA INFIDELS". Do not criticize them or you may be targeted too as offending Allah.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 1
Islam is a religion, and not a nation. Yes it spreads over many nations. We in India get fair share of communal violence every now and then, some where or the other between Hindus and Muslims, full marks to Politicians.
However, I am grateful for your concern about my well being! ThanX.
preacher1
preacher1 1
James is very correct below. Actually, when compared to a lot of other groups in the world, it is used that way anyway, but to quote another FA poster "Why let facts get in the way of such a high and mighty opinion". Have a nice day!!!!
GerryBusch
Gerry Busch -7
The same pilot ditched a single engine turbo prop into the Columbia River a couple of years ago after running out of fuel. Sounds like too much money, not enough experience.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 5
The aircraft did not run out of fuel the actual report reads like this:

"A post-accident teardown of the engine and its accessories determined that the fuel governor flyweights for the Woodward 8063-063 fuel control seized in the overspeed position, resulting in a command to the fuel governor to produce a minimum fuel flow (power roll-back). Further investigation revealed that the overspeed flyweights became seized because they were contaminated with metal particles from the disintegration of the fuel control unit tachometer drive bearing. The bearing was determined to have failed due to the tachometer shaft preload spacer (part number 3256-098) being machined out of parallel at the time of its production, and the failure of the assembling technician to correctly measure/inspect the spacer/bearing assembly at the time the fuel control was assembled."
RECOR10
RECOR10 -8
At first I looked up the plane, went "wow, quite a private plane". Then I was wondering who on earth owns one of those for their own personal use (my father had a jet - but it was in the business name). So, low and behold I run across this statement "Bill Henningsgaard, a former vice-president of Microsoft" and suddenly I agree with what I have heard so many times in the years (Quote, Roe Cahn of WLS AM Radio in Chicago) "LEAVE THE PILOTING TO THE PILOTS!!!BUY FLIGHT SIMULATOR". I now agree even more. As another poster said - more money than brains or ability.
dtw757
mike SUT 3
Seriously, are you saying then that Vice Presidents of corporations are BORN for that one task and don't have the brains, talent, or right stuff to become competent pilots and that Pilots are born to be pilots and therefore should be the only ones allowed to fly aircraft? What is Roe Cahns' qualification to spout such drivel as "leave the piloting to pilots". Do either of you understand the road to getting, maintaining a pilots license? I think I'll wait until the NTSB or FAA has a chance to come up with a cause instead of accusing the pilot of having more money than brains/ability as the root cause of the accident. To do any more would make me look ignorant of the aviation environment. Off to the Golf Course now, despite the fact that I am not avoiding this sport because I am NOT a PGA Professional. I will be driving my car there, despite the fact that I am NOT a professional driver. Tomorrow I will be Kayaking....well, you get the idea.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
I agree with your premise.

However, my objection is that when the technical challenges of the hole you're playing exceeds your ability, the worst that happens is that you drop your ball in the water hazard. You don't drop your plane with you and your son on top of 2 children who didn't deserve to die any more than anyone else, despite their parents recently moving into a home near the approach path to nearby runway.

There is greater responsibilty when operating an aircraft, especially above populated areas.
btweston
btweston 0
Say what you will about Randian supermen, but working class folks rarely crash their twin turboprops into houses.
bbabis
bbabis 2
Only because they don't get the chance. But, every day they crash their cars and trucks into innocent drivers and sometimes houses. Crashes happen among all classes of citizenry, its just aviation crashes make the national news.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 2
He for 7 years was a commercially certificated pilot with multiengine and instrument ratings, so it seems to me he sought out the training he needed to make sure he could fly the aircraft competently. How much more of a pilot can you be?
skylloyd
skylloyd 1
There are many, many Microsoft types with multi-engine ratings flying all the time. I personally signed the preflight inspection off so Craig McCaw could check-out a brand new 737 many years ago, to see if he wanted to buy it.
rmfg
Rob Gibbs 0
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Two children, pilot missing after plane crashes into Connecticut homes

A small plane crashed into two homes in Connecticut on Friday morning, and authorities were searching for two children who were in one of the houses and the pilot.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/09/19949138-two-children-pilot-missing-after-plane-crashes-into-connecticut-homes?lite
dphersant
Park Hersant 0
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KHVN accident in CT

Another write-up for the crash at KHVN. Address is north of runway 20.

http://www.ctnow.com/news/hc-east-haven-plane-crash-0810-20130809,0,29773.story
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff -1
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Turboprop plane crashes into Connecticut home

(CNN) -- Two children and a pilot are missing after a turboprop airplane crashed into at least one house in the southern Connecticut town of East Haven on Friday morning, officials told reporters.

The children, ages 1 and 13, were in the house when the plane hit it shortly before 11:30 a.m, East Haven Mayor Joseph Maturo Jr. said. The children's mother also was at the home but survived, he said.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/us/connecticut-plane-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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